Open carry question

I’m not sure what you are saying in this paragraph. I’ve admitted that driving is more dangerous than not

It’s also interesting that some police in other countries DON’T carry a gun around.

I don’t need to be convinced. I will simply continue to laugh at your unfounded fears that result in you carrying a gun around.

I’m saying that saying something is “more dangerous” doesn’t tell you in what way that danger presents itself. So when you are implying that a person carrying is “less safe” than a person not carrying, you haven’t described in what way they are less safe. The description isn’t useful since safety can take many forms. Based on the lack of definition this could simply be a generalized feeling, but I’m guessing that’s not what you are are trying to say. Unfortunately you haven’t specified what you mean by the term safety.

It totally is - if we were talking about other countries. Since we’re not (I’m not), it really isn’t germane in the slightest.

Well, I hardly carry (CA resident, our pseudo-fascist state government doesn’t allow it), but if I did it certainly wouldn’t be due to fear. Any more than the fact I actually do carry a first aid kit is due to fear.

I haven’t implied that the person carrying is “less safe” I have said that I am less safe, because that person could miss when shooting something and hit me instead.

That’s what the First Amendment guarantees. And I’m happy with that division of work: you laugh, I’ll carry.

Works for me!

How do you know you are less safe? In this context, what does less safe mean? Have you considered that a person could not miss and successfully use their firearm defensively?

Yes, I’ve considered it.

It was very easy to find an example of an “open carrier” being robbed of his weapon.
http://gawker.com/open-carrying-guy-has-his-brand-new-pistol-stolen-at-gu-1644022889

I laughed at this story, thanks for linking it.

Now, why was that guy carrying a gun if he didn’t even use it to keep said gun from being stolen?

:D:smack:

So how do you know you are less safe, and what does less safe mean to you?

I don’t really trust those people to consider their backstop, especially when I may be the backstop. And I don’t know that I trust them to hit their target with 100% accuracy.

Tell you what, you stand down range next to a target that someone is firing at. See how nervous that makes you. (Please don’t, that’s dangerous.)

Anyone who considers carrying a gun into any crowded environment either does not know that any confrontation they may have in which their gun may be utilized will put many bystander’s safety at risk, or they just don’t care(putting the safety of them and theirs above that of me and mine seems a big theme in this thread).

Because he realized that it was not like the movies, and that there was no way he would be able to get his gun out, un-safed, pointed and fired before he was shot down by the mugger.

It does seem that this is a delusion that many gun carriers buy into to make themselves feel safer, but deep down, they know that if it ever came down to it, they are just going to give the mugger their gun along with their wallet.

Less safe means to me that there are more ways for me to get injured or killed.

Does your consideration only take into account potential negative outcomes?

Is there a positive way to get injured or killed?

Let me be explicit: yes. My safety is more important to me than your safety.

If you value my safety higher, or equally, to your own, thanks. I really appreciate it.

Your statement in the first paragraph is false. While real life is not like the movies, it is entirely possible that an armed person even after being confronted by an armed attacker would be able to draw and fire their own weapon before being shot themselves. Here is an example:

If it’s the attacker being injured or killed, I’d say that’s pretty damn positive. I notice you didn’t answer my question though, was that on purpose? Does your consideration of being less safe only take into account potential negative outcomes?

This happened inside of a store by a store clerk. Do you have any examples of it happening in the street or in an outdoor public area by a person carrying a gun?

Well, I don’t consider anyone being killed as a positive outcome.

I can’t think of any potential positive outcomes that are likely to happen.

That wasn’t specified in k9’s false statement. But sure, here are a couple more:
Pizza driver involved in gunfight with armed robber on west side

Gary man killed after pulling gun on would-be car buyer

2 wounded teens wanted in Uptown New Orleans armed robbery


Given that you’re only considering negative outcomes, it’s pretty obvious that you’d draw the conclusion that you are less safe.

Given that you’re only considering positive outcomes, and the fact that you think killing a human being is a positive outcome, it’s pretty obvious that you’d draw the conclusion that you are safer.