Please excuse my extreme ignorance on this matter. (honest request, NOT sarcasm, I have a few gay friends, but know next to nothing about their orientation, or “lifestyle” sorry “lifestyle” meaning customs, beliefs attitudes toward the “straight” world etc).
Are you meaning to say that people who don’t condone homosexuality (either because of religious upbringingm, disagreeing that it’s “natural” or what have you) are either homophobic (afraid of gay persons) or anti-gay (those who discriminate against gays)??
Is it “allowed” or possible for a person to hold their beliefs and still be open minded regarding the rights of gay persons, without being labeled “homophobic” or “anti-gay”?
Please be kind, remember these are QUESTIONS, NOT opinions, OR statements!!!
So I’m an asshole for finding some activities disgusting and choosing to distance myself from them and the people that participate in them ? Judgemental … sure , I’ll agree with you there . But I’m sure everyone is judgemental in their own way , you included . I’d think <and hope > you’d find an adult sleeping with a 14 year old child disgusting and not want to associate with someone who does that , even though it isn’t illegal in some countries . That is being judgemental on your part. Its the same situation , so peddle your " I’m a non-judgemental saint " shit somewhere else because I’m not buying it . Next you’ll be telling me that rapists should be given therepy instead of a dunk in the gator pool because I’m sure you’re very sensitive too .
I never said being gay is wrong or that gay people should be limited in any way to living their lives the way they choose . I merely stated my opinion that i find what they do to be disgusting and I’d rather not be around it . To equate it with another activity I feel the same way about does not make me a bigot . In your opinion ,even if I was ok with homosexuality , i’d still be a stupid , bigoted asshole for my feelings about nose pickers .
Besides , isn’t it sorta judgemental to link head trauma victims with being assholes ? What do you have against head trauma victims , ya damn bigot ?
Well I’m not lissener, obviously, but in my book? Yes it is possible. It just doesn’t happen very often. There are many people who would claim to hold that position, but it often turns out to be a false front. I have known a few people, though, and I’m willing to return respect for respect given. If they treat me as a human being, I will return the favor. I can really demand no more, no matter what I may wish.
Snake, I’m a tad confused why you think gay men (since that seems to be your focus), would discuss their sex lives with you, thus grossing you out?
How do you know what they get off on?
Surely, you don’t think gay men are limited to one sexual act alone.
I don’t get off on envisioning my heterosexual friends doing the big bump either
Personally, (and this may well be a measure of my excessive prudishness), I would be uncomfortable with any of my friends sharing details of what they do behind closed doors.
It’s just a little too close for comfort-not quite as yucky as imagining you parents doing it but right up there.
That’s not to say my female friends and I don’t discuss the subject on occasion but it’s not as if we compare the shapes and sizes of our husband’s penises (penii?).
(Now, imagining total strangers on the net… )
Be around what? The activity? That’s very easy to do: avoid gay people’s bedrooms while they’re having sex. I didn’t think we wanted you in there to begin with.
It was the University of Georgia study. They mention though, that it might have been anxiety rather than arousal. I think a more detailed study with more subjects is needed.
Well, I might think it disgusting that you may chew with your mouth open, jerk off to odd fetish porn, or masturbate wearing your mom’s underwear, and while I might make fun of you for stuff like that, I certainly wouldn’t decide whether or not to continue being friends with you because of any of them. Just because I may have sex with men, in the privacy of my own bedroom, isn’t a reason to avoid talking to me. I’d be pretty ooged out at the thought of your girlfriend going down on you, but that doesn’t mean that I am going to avoid you because of it.
Besides, most gay people are surprisingly low key as far as PDA’s go. Just because you are around gay people doesn’t mean you will be treated to a bunch of men sucking face.
Snake, I don’t like to imagine anyone, except those people I am sexually attracted to, engaged in sexual activities, of any kind. The idea of my grandparents going at it is disgusting to me, but it has no affect on how I feel about them.
Right, let’s have a go at this to make sure we can hear this duck’s echo before we call it one.
Firstly, you know fuck-all about someone’s sex life unless they tell you or you see it in action. Being gay does not mean you’re having sex with anything, though again if it’s with a human consenting adult and adultery is not an issue then it isn’t your business in the first place.
Natch. I think it’s horribly pointless and often insulting to hear “gay man? MUST be having sex with goats in the Sistine Chapel during the entirety of the consecration at Chrism Mass”. You know fuck-all about someone’s sex life based on their orientation. For example: I’m bisexual. What does that tell you about my sex life? (hint: what else do you know about me?)
And the similarities between that and someone who is gay would be … what, exactly? You’re trying to draw a parallel between homosexuality and an adult having sex with a younger (but probably not pre-pubescent) person.
You’d better unless you’d like to confirm the statement “I, Snake, am unable to think.” It’s right at the bottom of this here affidavit. Your analogies and arguments don’t wash.
Yet another irrelevant “example”. Do you have the 2003 edition of “Pointless Examples to Raise When You’ve already Lost the Argument”, or is it just the 2002 Unabridged version?
You know fuck-all about the first and as I doubt you’ll ever find yourself in the bedroom of … well, anyone, that shan’t be a problem.
You do realize that gay men don’t just go around having sex in front of straight people just to disturb them, right?
You’re a bigot absent anything else.
Ah yes. Must be the Unabridged version. The 2003 has a more detailed bit about nosepickers.
It is decidedly difficult to reach a moral high ground from 6 feet underground.
You know, I am feeling particularly persecuted here. I was reading iampunha’s (which is a username that I just now “got”) reply post to snake, when I noticed something. As I was reading the post, I was inadvertantly picking my nose in the privacy of my own house, when I happened across the “bigoted asshole for my feelings about nose pickers” comment.
You know, I can understand not liking what I do in the bedroom, but I extend a hearty fuck you to you, snake for intruding on my nasal cavity grooming habits.
So I had a booger, what do you want me to do with it, continue providing it low rent housing in my nose? It isn’t like I am flicking the damn things at you.
Next thing you know, I won’t be able to pick scabs no more…
See , now thats not my experience . My g/f and I like the beach . The beach closest to us has , over the years , become almost a magnet for the gay community . Its a place that will enforce every stereotype you’ve ever heard about gay people . Its almost like they’re militant about it and its their duty to make their gay presence known . Its to the point that we ride down to Ocean City , MD where people are more laid back .
wearing your mother's underwear hahahaha thats a classic !
1 When did i ever say anything even close to that ? Not once . Although if that whole goat thing DID happen in church , I’d hafta give you points for pissing off the “holy people”. I give less than a shit about you being bisexual , and i care even less what you and you’re s/o do . Can’t you just be a person ? Why do you hafta be " Hi , I’m … , I’m bi and don’t you oppress me " I have never seen a ‘straight pride’ rally . Its not my job to recognize you for whatever orientation you are .
2 The similarity is that they’re both sexual activities .
3 So even though I have never and will never infringe upon the rights of a gay person to be who they are without persecution , I’m still a bigot ? I’m a bigot for having an opinion . Fine , and you’re a whiney shitbag .
Of course not, Snake. Being a bigot is a bad thing, and you’re not a bad person. In fact, you’re perfect. You have absolutely no negavtive traits whatsoever. Actually, everybody’s perfect. That’s right, as long as we all spend time rationalizing our ignorance and deficiencies rather than fixing them, we’ll all be happy (other people’s deficiencies and ignorance, on the other hand, are the source of everything that’s wrong).
What a dumb question. “I’m a bigot for having an opinion.” Yes, because it’s a bigoted opinion! Doy!
Research by US psychologists suggests that 80 percent of men who are homophobic have secret homosexual feelings. This finding lends scientific support to the long-standing speculation that those who shout the loudest against homosexuality have something to hide.
The research results were published in the prestigious Journal of Abnormal Psychology, with the backing of the American Psychological Association.
In tests conducted by Prof. Henry E Adams of the University of Georgia, homophobic men who said they were exclusively heterosexual were shown gay sex videos. Four out of five became sexually aroused by the homoerotic imagery, as recorded by a penile circumference measuring device - a plethysmograph.
Prof. Adams says his research shows that most homophobes “demonstrate significant sexual arousal to homosexual erotic stimuli”, suggesting that homophobia is a form of “latent homosexuality where persons are either unaware of or deny their homosexual urges”
[note: this site didn’t mention this, but the control group in this study (hetersexual, non-homophobic men) did have significantly less arousal when viewing gay porn]
Unfortunately, the site that shows the more extensive results is a pop-up hell, and It’s NSFW so I don’t think I can post the link here. If anybody wants to see it go to google.com and type in homophobes study “latent homosexuality” then look at the cache for the blissforums site.
Oh , shit the bed . Now I’m deficient and ignorant and people like me are the cause of all the world’s problems . I , on the other hand , think much of whats wrong is caused by a bunch of douchebags who feel they MUST force their morality on other people . I don’t want or need you to save me or show me the error of my wicked ways . pfffffff I’ll admit to being politicly incorrect . So fuckin what . Maybe too many people are just too sensitive . Wanna live in a world where everyone hugs each other and gets along ? Join a fuckin commune and stop whining . People have differences , its natural .
Well, I wouldn’t want to give you hugs and sing songs by the camp fire, but I would like you to treat me the same as anyone else. Who a person sleeps with is truly a ridiculous thing to base your feelings on, and no one wants you to condone homosexuality, just to not judge people based solely on it. It’s really no different than not liking someone for being black, or latino, a woman, or a quadriplegic. If you are disgusted by homosexual acts, don’t watch them. You don’t have to, you don’t even have to like them.
Just don’t automatically judge the person who is performing them.
I might not agree with someone’s religious beliefs, but that doesn’t mean that I am going to disassociate myself from catholics. I just keep my beliefs to myself, and let them believe what they want.
You can’t really compare homosexuality to other “deviant” sexual acts, because it is not the same. The only difference between a straight man, and a gay man, is the equipment attached to the people they are attracted to. That’s it.
You can’t compare man/man sex with man/goat sex any more than I can compare man/woman sex to man/goat sex.
If I say I have sex with consenting adults in the privacy of my own home, with no intention of harming myself or the other person, I could be either gay or straight. The only difference is the genders of the people participating.
