So far at least, those expectations have in fact been met, right? Or is the contention that Israel is treating Palestinians in the same manner as the Syrians?
In other words, if certain individuals are jumped in a dark alley and get involved in a fight, well, it’s just how they behave, right…? But if an upstanding citizen gets jumped in the same alley, they have to either flee or let themselves get beat up, even if they have martial arts training, because “gentlemen don’t fight back.”
Is that pretty much it? Because it’s both insulting to the people you “expect” to fight and harmful to those you “expect” no to.
In other news, more recent than Gandhis dislike of all things non Brahmin and British, Israel says that it will hold off a ground attack for now, to give diplomacy one last chance. Morsy says that Israel will soon end it’s bombardment.
So we give violent dictators a pass because they’re … violent dictators? And we regard defensive measures against a hostile neighbour as the moral equivalent of a wanton massacre of one’s own citizens? If you “expect better” of Israel, then expect no further!
You’re really great at analogies aren’t you? Yes, that’s EXACTLY what it’s like. :rolleyes:
No. We don’t wste our energies where they will do no good. But we do when we’re attempting to influence those who share our values. Personally I don’t give a frack about Gaza.
Maybe its because Syrian opposition is being armed and already has the support of the West? Beyond that I am not at all clear who it is, exactly, that constitutes this Syrian National Coalition – who ends up benefiting from the likely Somalisation of a post-Assad Syria? I think there are still lessons to be learned from what was done in Iraq.
That topic aside for the moment, why are you bringing “bias against Jews” into this? You do realize, don’t you, the tacit implications of that sentence, right? Each and everyone of demonstrations is against the actions of the State Of Israel. So please, let’s not fall into that particular facile equivocation that derails most/all of these threads.
Ah! A Metric American, hey? 
My apologies for the mistaken assumption.
Appreciate your response, whether I agree with it or not – and obviously I find myself fitting in much more with the Euro side of the narrative – it does make a lot of sense.
I’d also add that the MSM coverage of the conflict in both continents certainly reflects that schism. In that sense I daresay that European coverage overall is much more impartial – of course, that might just have to do with the fact that it falls mostly along my own views on the matter.
I won’t speak for Leo Bloom, but you couldn’t be any more wrong about what I wrote in my post in terms of “trolling.” What Gilat wrote in the J Post leaves little room for any other interpretation as he is calling for nuking Gaza in no uncertain terms. So there are rivers of virtual ink all over the Internet talking about his “Final Solution” article.
A simple Google Vomit is all that’s needed to prove that. So unless you think there are over 350,000 sites “trolling” about what he wrote, you are, again, simply wrong.
NB:My comment was directly linked to Gilad’s piece – I made no extrapolations whatsoever from what he wrote to Israeli official policy itself. In fact, that is what Gilad was “bitching about” – in his (warped) mind they are way too soft on Gaza.
One thing is not like another, but sure, no problem on my end.
But again, what you’re implying when you say you “expect better of Israel” is that Israel is doing the same thing as Assad is doing in Syria. You are comparing apples and fish simply because they are both edible.
Just like the Germans nuked the Jews during The Final Solution. Either you’re trolling or your ignorance of history would make Bluto Blutarski weep. For the sake of my own sanity I will assume the problem here is the second one. But I will strongly encourage you to be more scrupulous about the way you interpret current events and your own sources. When your description of current events is pretty much the opposite of the actual events and your interpretation of your cites looks almost nothing like the cited material, it’s hard to distinguish between ignorance and trolling. Really, don’t make me guess.
So what?
Because it’s inescapably the fact that Israel - which is hardly blameless in all this, of course - in targeted, over and over, by the world’s vitriol for everything it does. It is, to hear many tell it, the most villainous nation-state on earth, despite the objective fact that in terms of actual crimes it probably doesn’t even crack the top fifty. No other country I can think of is subject to an essentially endless series of attacks with the international community doing nothing about it, on and on, decade after decade. Nothing they do in terms of furthering peace works, or for that matter is even remembered by their millions of critics. Every withdrawal has simply been used as a base for more attacks. That stuff is never mentioned. I wonder why that is? Why is Israel the only country in the world that’s supposed to just expect to be bombed and attacked and have to live with it?
The sad part of all this is that I can understand the frustration of both sides, and many of the actors in this ongoing travesty are NOT Israel and Palestine, and aren’t the ones with rockets or bombs falling on them.
Breaking: Egypt is saying there are no plans to announce a cease fire any time soon. Via CNN
Yeah, each and every one, mostly.
Righto. Hamas is not known for equivocating on the subject. Wait - actually, they are.
*"In May 2009, senior Hamas MP Sayed Abu Musameh said that “in our culture, we respect every foreigner, especially Jews and Christians, but we are against Zionists, not as nationalists but as fascists and racists.”…
In an interview with Al-Aqsa TV in September 12, 2012, Marwan Abu Ras, a Hamas MP, who is also a member of the International Union of Muslim Scholars, stated (as translated by MEMRI):
“ The Jews are behind each and every catastrophe on the face of the Earth. This is not open to debate. This is not a temporal thing, but goes back to days of yore. They concocted so many conspiracies and betrayed rulers and nations so many times that the people harbor hatred towards them…Throughout history – from Nebuchadnezzar until modern times… They slayed the prophets, and so on…Any catastrophe on the face of this Earth – the Jews must be behind it."*
Thanks for the gratuitous insults. But of course you are allowed, it is your little fiefdom.
You may disagree all you like with “my interpretation” of current events, but I suggest you refute them in proper fashion – might just turn out The Flat Earther here is not me.
Update:
Body dragged through streets of Gaza. Don’t watch if you don’t want to see it.
And the collective reaction to this will be the usual “what can you expect, they’re savages”…
Well maybe not Zionism but people on THIS board have said that critics of Israel are antisemites.
No, they still haven’t Damuri, just like the last dozen times you made that claim.
You need to stop saying things that aren’t true.
So because some anonymous poster on an obscure messageboard may or may not have claimed all critics of Israel are anti-Semites, it’s impossible to criticize Israel. :dubious:
Beyond that I have a really tough time believing that any reasonable poster said(obviously we’re a huge board and some are rather “vocal”).
Who said this? Links, please.
Well, there’s that blood libel thing. You accuse your enemy of something really atrocious and once you’ve got the ignorants believing you and worked up into a tizzy, and your enemy sufficiently de-humanized, you can proceed with your own atrocious activities against them and people don’t mind too much.
Then you’ve got your CNN video. Not the same thing. If it walks like a duck and drags bodies through the streets like a duck, it’s probably a duck. Or savage.