And when the Hamas government, whose raison d’être is emnity with Israel, uses those open borders to import more missiles and fire them at you, you would do … ?
Inbred Mm domesticus, it’s late here (afte rmidnight) and I cannot muster the will to take this to the pit, so I will simply bid you have a good, safe night, wherever you are.
The Hamas leadership does not want peace with Israel. Their whole political existence, and the basis for most of their power, is the idea that they are going to form a partnership with the other radical Islamics in the region, drive out the Israelis, and take over the land. That’s part of the reason they hide their rocket launchers among civilians - they want as many casualties as they can blame on Israel, to radicalize their own people.
Shooting rockets at people is a real bad way to get them to trade with you.
Regards,
Shodan
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ETA:In short, who is allowed to legitimately resist and/or retaliate against Israel aggressions?
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You consider firing rockets randomly at civilians to provoke a military response (that will surly get some non-zero number of YOUR OWN CIVILIAN POPULATION KILLED) is legitimate resistance to ‘Israel aggression’?
We hear the converse query all the time…on this board as well as everywhere else. Every time this happens (i.e. crazies in Gaza get a bug up their butts, fire off a load of missiles to provoke the Israels, Israel responds predictably by shooting back, some number of Palestinian civilians are killed, outrage from Red and the gang ensues…rinse and repeat) we hear about it. As for how much ordnance should the good workers and peasants in Gaza (or, more accurate their lunatic and frothing at the mouth theocratic fringe) be able to fire, the answer is…none. I mean, duh…you figure they SHOULD be shooting random rockets at civilians in a calculated fashion to provoke a response that will surly kill some of their own civilians but otherwise do absolutely dick towards rectifying this whole cluster fuck situation?? Just perpetuate the hatred and fighting? 
Well, YOU noticed didn’t you? So, it’s hardly no one who looks at those things. The reason you don’t ever get traction with your rants about this is simple though…people can see for themselves who initiated the fighting, and not many are going to be sympathetic to people who deliberately poke a bear in the nose with a stick and then put children between themselves and the bear knowing what the bear is likely to do…especially if poking the bear in the nose doesn’t nothing wrt the right to bear arms…
This has always seemed like a demented form of arithmetic to me.
If you commit a violent act and open fire on responding police, they’re not expected to limit return fire to the exact number of bullets you send their way.
The embargo party motivates the raison d’être. I’m not sure that buying more and better missiles would be Hamas’ best strategy to Israel ending the embargo.
You are funny! Because Israel hasn’t been occupying, oppressing, stealing land & resources, displacing and killing Palestinians for 60 years…especially after '67.
No, they don’t care at all! Not much left to take anyway is there?
Palestinian Loss of Land 1946-2010
By the time they are ‘allowed’ to become a nation, they’ll be living in a shoebox. Size 5
And that’s why firing off rockets at random at Israeli cities is the best solution to their problems, and why it’s unreasonable for Israel to respond to rocket attacks.
Back to the “who started it” I see.
I’ve never made a “who started it” argument. I talked about your extremely misleading OP, and I commented on what appears to be an excuse for shooting rockets into cities.
Given the extraordinary birth rate in Gaza, I don’t think this last item is a real concern. 
The above is of course mostly racist claptrap, but I do find your reference to them quite illuminating. For generations Israel’s leaders on both the left and the right repeatedly insisted that the Palestinians WEREN’T a nation or a people.
In fact the current PM of Israel repeatedly insisted on that point while also claiming the Palestinians already had a state of their own, Jordan(which is a little like saying, "The Jews have a state of their own, it’s called New York).
Perhaps had the Israelis not waited so many decades before recognizing them as a nation then we’d be in better shape. In fairness of course they same is true of the Palestinians though I have more sympathy for their refusal.
Red, I’m on my IPhone so I can’t tell what organization created that map, but any Palestinian from the 1960s would have been offended by it. It claims that Gaza and the West Bank were controlled by Palestinians prior to 1967, but they controlled by Egypt and Jordan, not the Palestinians.
And while the government of Jordan treated those on the West Bank overall better than the Israelis and even offered then citizenship the idea the Egyptians were better, especially prior to the first Intifada is, at best, questionable.
Look, I know you’re not my biggest fan, but honestly rather than using sources that all but the staunchest Palestinian supporters would reject and making inflammatory claims, I think you’d be better off pointing out that blockades are legally acts of war and that therefore there’s a war going on between Israel and Gaza.
That’s why President Kennedy didn’t impose a “blockade” on Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis but instead placed Cuba “under quarantine”.
You could also point out Israel used similar logic to justify its preemptive strike on Israel in 1967.
Those would strike me as more persuasive.
I’m really sorry to hear that.
I hope you’re doing better.
Appreciate your concern, Ibn, but I’ll take care of both composing and sourcing my posts in whichever fashion I consider suitable.
And as I told you before, I neither a fan nor a hater – you are simply pixels on my monitor. Mostly unconvincing ones, I’ll give you that.
Good night.
Anyone wishing to read a lengthy historical explanation on the accuracy of the map mocked by Ibn can do so here:
The Map: The Story of Palestinian Nationhood Thwarted After the League of Nations Recognized It
Of course, if he still disagrees, he is more than welcome to take it up with Professor Cole.
There’s a rather obvious and gross omission in those maps. Specifically, the third; the West Bank was not “Palestinian Land” from 1948 to 1967. It was occupied by Jordan, which at the time seemed not at all concerned with Palestinian independence.
Juan Cole is about as objective as Martin Kramer and Daniel Pipes.
Do you consider Martin Kramer or Daniel Pipes objective, reliable sources?
Beyond that, are you seriously trying to argue that a map which purports that the Gaza Strip and the West Bank was Palestinian-controlled land prior to 1967?
I ask because insisting that the West Bank and the Gaza Strip were controlled and administered by Palestinians rather than the Egyptians is a jaw-droppingly ignorant claim right up there with Gerry Ford’s claim that “there is no communist domination of Poland and Czeckoslovakia”.
You’re entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
Anyone telling you that map is accurate is either a fool or they are trying to fool you.
Not to nitpick, but rather than “omission” I’d say “distortion”.
The map claims that the Gaza Strip and Jordan were “Palestinian land” when they were in fact “Jordanian” and “Egyptian” land.
When he posted it on his website, Professor Cole was rather clearly trying to deceive those that viewed it.
New Jersey is the usual comparison. Similar population density, but I think Israel has about 1 million fewer people.