I do know the difference, I just get a little tired of nitpicking the details. The important point is that organizations (I think one is called Jordan, and another is Egypt) have been in bloodthirsty conflict with Israel and denied they have a right to exist yet now they do. I didn’t think the PNA existed before 1992/93 and maybe Israel’s right to exist was only via the PNA and has nothing to with the PLO or Fatah. Regardless, there was change from denying their right to exist to accepting the obvious; the change driven by people who have led all this organizations.
Because I live in the USA. Do you have any clue at all how often Israel is brought up in the news and in the politics here? I want to hear about Israel and the Palestinians about as often as I hear about Senegal. I think we need to concentrate on other parts of the world. I think we definitely need to promote good relations with Arabs and then maybe Iran. Let this stupid conflict sit; it’s not going anywhere.
They’re in the EU and they recently found some natural gas. Northern Cyprus is popular among Turks as a gambling destination I think. I guess you are referring to some other sideshow?
Back to my central point: Middle East, from East of the Bosphorus to Iran, South to the Gulf States and West to Northern Africa - a huge mass of ineffectual policies toward the Israel/Hamas conflict.
Your continued misreading of my post is entertaining, but it’s also insulting. I recommend you tone it down and just take a minute to reread what I wrote. Or point to where you think I said whatever it is you think I said.
Please explain what made you decide that the PNA is a terrorist organization or did you have some other group in mind when you made such a hot-tempered statement?
If so, what organization are you classifying as a “terrorist group” and why?
Hmm… this comment suggest dramatically less confidence in your understanding of the situation then previous comments you’ve made.
Anyway, I already pointed out why in post 114.
Oh Good lord!?
Are you seriously confessing you know nothing of Turkey’s invasion of Cyprus,it’s ethnci cleansing of the ethnic Greeks living in Northern Cyprus and it’s importing of large numbers of Turkish settlers?
So, Turkey is a NATO member and huge ally.
Why do you get far more agitated and hot and bothered by actions taken by Israel than by Turks?
The population density of Gaza strip is ~4750 people per square km - very very high, in top 5 countries by pop. density. And yet the fertility rate is very high - 4.57 children per female.
the conflict with Israel may grow even more if they do not control their birth rate.
There is a Gaza City and a territory called Gaza. Gaza City does not encompass the entire territory.
The Gaza Strip is heavily populated but it isn’t one giant city. You can see that just looking at Google Maps. Some of it is actually quite nice; you only see eastern Gaza City in rubble on the news when this crap flares up, but Gaza has parks and beaches and little towns and stuff, too.
The PKK is primarily recruited from ethnic Kurd citizens of Turkey. It’s why the mayor of Diyarbakir is quoted as saying this in a recent news article on his criticism of Erdogan; Kurdish mayor in Turkey confronts PM Erdogan:
The PKK, a militant organization composed primarily of Kurds from Turkey and Kurds displaced from Turkey into Europe, utilizes the mountains along the border to hideout and stage attacks inside Turkey.
So trying to relate this to Hamas and Israel is only superficially legitimate. The similarities are that both Hamas and PKK are widely regarded as terrorists and that a border is involved in fighting them by the governments of Israel and Turkey. Fairly superficial, although I would argue that the most effective remedy for both problems is to treat the leaders of these organizations as true political figures and attempt to negotiate and find solutions to the most obvious problems.
Nevertheless the point still stands, the Gaza Strip is Gaza City and its outlying regions and therefore population density wise it cannot be compared to a country.
why don’t the rest of the middle eastern nations absorb all Palestinian people in ratio of their populations. they have so much land and they also talk about ‘ummah’ , so much concern about Palestinians and they could easily absorb all Palestinians.
The jews have the right to have atleast a tiny nation like Israel for them. Muslims have so many nations already.
Lol, forget about middle eastern nations – even Gaza will not absorb anyone into its population. Even the proposed “Palestinian State” on the West Bank will not absorb anyone.
You might think that Gaza would open its doors to the folks living in refugee camps in Lebabon or Jordan, many of whom fled Gaza itself in the late 60s. But they don’t do so.
Sure it can, so long as the country is Singapore, or Monaco, or the Vatican.
The problem is that it is a densely populated area without resources of its own and without the wealth of a Singapore or a Monoco or a Vatican.
This drama has been played before. Hamas justifies its existence by attacking Israel. Israel ignores some level of attacks but at some point Israel responds. Israeli response is usually large. Israel does not do tit for tat some much as they tolerate a bunch and then come out with overwhelming force. The magnitude of the Israeli response will result in international criticism of its response and the rocket attacks that provoked it will be lost in the media fooferall.
The twist this time is if this will end up giving al-Assad some additional space as the international community focuses its attention off Syria for a bit and as all Arabs rally round opposing the common “other”, the enemy that is Israel.
Yeah, at the risk of sounding childish, I really wish Gazans would use those 1500 or so tunnels they’ve got to the Sinai Peninsula and just go there. For good. Egypt loves their Hamas brothers. You can lob your little rockets at Israel from your new border home. For awhile.