Somebody better warn the Nuclear power plants in case of a remote controlled meltdown.
well gee whiz–sounds like the return of the criminal justice paradigm that served us so well before the commander in chief decided he needed a war as a fashion accessory.
But Jordan wasn’t a much of a problem for the US. Sure, Zarqawi is “from” Jordan, but remember that he is ethinically a Palestinian. My point remains-- the hotbeds of al Qaeda recruiting are still hotbeds. They may have worn out their welcome in Iraq, but then they weren’t welcome there before we invaded, so net/net we’re no better off then before the invasion even if the Iraqis kick them completely out.
I have arrived to the conclusion that Al-qeada does want the US to stay in Iraq as it diverts resourses to hunt them were their leaders are, IIRC, the foreign rebels in Iraq are only a very tiny part of the insurrection. I think many of the local insurgents are just happy to claim many of their actions are coming from the big boogieman.
his intent is to make our resolve stronger and remain boggled down in Iraq. I am afraid the current administration will follow the designs of the bastard.
That we should never forget that Iraq was not a part of the war on terror, only Osama and the administration would like it to remain that way.
Oh, and as I supported the invasion of Afghanistan, the answer to his truce offer is:
***To the 3rd rated sith lord wannabe:
Nuts.
Sincerely, the United States of America.***
it might be more than just pr He speaks extensively of the polls and Bush’s mischaracterization of them
Speaking from the belly of the blue beast, I am prepared to venture a guess that the Golden Gate is in no peril from ‘Sama–Thanks, Bill O’ Reilly you stupid shit. I think we should send 'sama a google sat. shot of your office, asshole.
(Like O’reilly excoriating San Fran and giving 'sama carte blanche was going to increase OUR risk.
that statement is as clear as mud… care to elucidate? I truly have no idea what you are trying to say.
i’ll make a few more shots in the dark. It will not be the new york subway, or any subway–it will not be poor people
It will probably (duh) be Texas. Maybe houston, refineries? Pipes?
not oil, natural gas(bigger bang.,)Conveniently, the petrochemical industry for reasons that need no elaboration, has largely escaped the hardening recommended by the 9/1 1 commission report card
(actually, the card itself is probably a pretty good roadmap for what to expect.)
it will not be trivial (don’t want to step on your own 9/11 lines)
fair enough–I was implicating the ongoing pissing match (here and in the wider world) between the lynchers and the law’n’orders.
Bush more or less chose up a lynch mob(the “this is war you are with us or against us and we’re calling the close ones against you”.
It is a methodology which renders its practitioner uniquely susceptible to manipulation by the politically savvy guerilla, as has been our fate thus far.
That’s exactly what I think. That bastard needs to serve 3000 life sentences in the worst prison in the US.
No, that’s too good for him.
He should spend 3000 life sentences in solitary confinement in a noiseless room with a constant level of dim light, with tepid water and bland food shoved under the door on occasion. About once a week he gets moved into an identical adjacent cell while the first one is hosed down. He never sees or hears another human being for the rest of his hopefully long natural life. If he goes crazy or hurts himself banging his head on the floor, tough noogies. Only when the secret hidden camera confirms that he is actually permanently dead do the doors open. At that point he is secretly cremated and his ashes disposed of in the sewer. Oh, and the exact location of the cell and the state of his health is never, ever mentioned again. For practical purposes he vanishes from the earth.
But then, I’m not in charge of these things.
Why is it that people assume that Osama bin Laden is a liar because he’s a terrorist. That his word isn’t good. I think that’s a big assumption. It goes well with the American Cognitive Dissonance that allows them to think that they are innocent victims while declaring their God given right to drive a mockup of a miiltary vehicle that gets 7 miles per gallon.
I actually think that if this letter is really from Osama bin Laden, and if we were willing to take him seriously, and he did come out of hiding to sign something, that we could probably trust his word. Of course, he’s only one man, and terrorists don’t have a centralized power structure, so all he can do is promise that HE won’t attack us anymore.
I dunno, I am willing to believe Osama is a standup guy who is very honestly fighting for what he believes in. What he believes in happens to be detrimental to us, but that’s neither here nor there.
Erek
That being said, no one is going to even contemplate it seriously, so it’s really irrelevant.
Erek
First of all, I don’t drive an SUV or a Hummer.
Second, he didn’t write a letter. He was on a video tape.
Third, well, I can’t say the rest of what I think because this is the wrong forum for that type of thing. Let’s just say that OBL is the farthest thing from a “standup guy” that I can imagine. “Standup guys” don’t go around murdering people in cold blood. “Standup guys” don’t cut the throats of journalists.
I was going to say, Pakistan is only a couple of times bigger than the country that attacked us, and has nukes, and has demonstrated a willingness to sell them to God-knows-who. If we were going to go anyplace after Afghanistan, it should have been there, if we could get enough of a coalition together.
No they just take lobbyist kickbacks and invent phony moral justifications to invade a country and steal it’s resources.
Not that I am one to rush to the defense of OBL but I think he is equivalent to the movers and shakers in our administration in every way. I don’t really classify either party as being made up of any standup guys. Though OBL is a far better performance artist, I’m not sure I’d be into his standup. ^_*
To compare OBL and the Bush White House: Religious fanatic /check/ with policies of dubious success [check] and limited popularity within his own constituency /check/, who holds the lives of the smallfolk cheap[check], and does not share in the common conception most on this board surely do of human rights/check/, reverence for life /check/ and so on.
At least, for him, freedom is not a sly war cry of shameless land grabs. They don’t want land – they want sovereignty on the land they live in – and they want it to be free of US imperialist meddling.
Mswas, aren’t muslem extremist are allowed, even obligated to lie to infidels in such matters to achieve their ends?
Also how would this truce help us?
But on another note, perhaps we can call his bluff, so to speak. Offer him a free pass, let him sign a treaty, He will never show IMHO.
My response to him - bring it on, baby! Your words ring hollow, your actions have been ineffective, and to be frank, we know where you are and are using you to find other Al Quida operatives and kill them, just like your #4 man recently killed by our predator drone attack, even though your #2 man escaped that attack.
The difference here is, if a murderer doesn’t hide the fact of what he is, then his word can still be worth something. Everything that I have ever heard him say, his actions give me reasonable evidence to believe that he means it. He said he wanted to hurt America, he did hurt America. He explained why he was hurting America, and he did it well. What reason do you have to believe he’s a liar?
I am not saying you should trust him, but people here have called him a liar. He feels that he is defending his people from an Imperialist aggressor that doesn’t care about him and his people. I agree with his assessment of his adversary, though I don’t think he is doing much good for his people in the end. But we’ll see what comes out in the wash.
So what justification do you have to believe he’s a liar? Because he prosecuted a war? Do you really believe that? Are you really buying the propaganda about the evil enemy? The villain is just the hero for the other side bro. Anyway, I started a pit thread if you want to bash me there.
Moral Relativism in the United States Foreign Policy
Erek
Not that I’m aware of.
It wouldn’t really. I am not advocating it. Only rolling my eyes at people judging his honesty. I don’t think they have any basis. He was pretty honest about it, he said he’d attack us and he did.
Of course he wouldn’t. Even if he did he has no jurisdictionaly authority over terrorism being decentralized like it is.
Heh
Erek
I do agree with you on one point. He is a murderer. A cold blooded, psychotic animal who attacks innocent people because he hears his God’s voice in his head.
<shudder>
OK… if you want to accept his word… lets go back to the truce - I asked for your response if you were President… so…let’s hear it… what would you be saying to this guy when he brought you a truce? A truce (in wartime) is an invitation to negotiate.
Those of us who do not take his word are perfectly willing to bring him to justice, swiftly… I am interested to hear what YOU would do.