Other Historical Events You'd like to see movies about

I’d like to see Colleen McCullough’s First Man in Rome adapted into a movie, but only if they got just the perfect actor for Sulla, who is by far the most interesting character in the entire series.

The war between Aurelian and Zenobia would make fabulous movie material – the sun-worshipping Emperor of Rome pitted against the beautiful warrior queen of Palmyra. Huge battles, intrigue, triumphs, and Zenobia being paraded through the streets of Rome.

Another Roman Emperor, Justinian II (NOT his more famous predessor, Justinian I) would also be excellent fodder for a film. He was dethroned, mutilated, and exiled. He made an alliance with the Khazars, a very interesting empire of Turkish Jews, and married a Khazarian princess (instant romance subplot!). Her brother plotted to murder him, she told Justinian, and he strangled the guy with his bare hands. He then retakes his throne after infiltrating Rome through the aqueducts, but is murdered. The last scene could be Justinian’s mother famously pleading in vain with his murderers to spare the life of her grandson Tiberius, who is hiding in a temple.

I would love to see a movie dealing with the Lewis and Clark Expedition. It could be the perfect adventure story; a small band of men, hundreds of miles from any civilization, with the largest amount of weapons that most of the Native Americans that they encountered had ever seen. A story of leadership, communication, and the “wild west” when it truly was wild. End it with Lewis’ depression and suicide and you have the makings of a blockbuster of a movie, especially with the 200th anniversary coming up…

I’d love to see a movie based on the story of Arminius, the German (well, he was from the general area of Germany, they called it something else in Roman times) who became a Roman mercenary, then defected, got together with his homeboys and when the Romans sent three legions in to extend their domain, he used his knowledge of Roman strategy and tactics to wipe the legions out, pretty much ending Roman conquests in that direction. This was in 9 A.D. when the Roman army was still considered to be pretty much invincible.

Make a great movie to see all those Roman snots being pounded into the ground by barbarians.

It’s been done, by Saturday Night Live, with, IIRC, John Belushi in the title role!

Monty Python, The Golden Age of Ballooning.

I’d love to see a major motion picture series of the Three Kingdoms period of Chinese history: http://www.threekingdoms.com

Although the novel itslef isn’t strictly historical, it’s based on a historical work (San Guo Zhi?) and IIRC is generally considered 30% fiction, 70% fact… but regardless, it has everything a movie going audience could ask for.

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While not exactly mainstream, this topic was addressed in part of the Men Behind the Sun series, although the film isn’t for the faint of hear.

Seriously, though, I’d like to see a miniseries based on the life of Vyacheslav Molotov. More than anything else, his biography is the tale of a remarkable survivor. He was involved in a stunning number of the most important events of the 20th Century. Surely, the story of someone close to Stalin who managed, nonethelesss, to die of old age at the age of 96, would be fascinating. His face is instantly recognizable to any student of history, yet most people know very little about him.

As a leftist, I’d like to see a movie about the Paris Commune. Also, a biopic or miniseries about George Orwell.

Arminius was from the Cherusci tribe (there was no Germany, per se, only German tribes) and his birth name was probably Hermann. His destruction of the legions prompted the suicide of their commander, Varus, and shocked and horrified Rome. The emperor, Augustus, was known to awaken screaming, “Varus, Varus, where are my legions!” Hermann/Arminius was murdered in 21 A.D. by his relatives.

One Roman lady has a marketable story – Placidia, daughter of Emperor Theodosius. She was captured by the Goths during the sack of Rome in 410 and married the Visigothic chieftain Athaulf. They were said to have truly been in love, but he died in 416 and she was marched back to Rome and married to a nobleman named Constantius. She became the mother of the future emperor Valentinian and Honoria, who famously started a war with the Huns by offering Attila her hand in marriage. Placidia was a real political player, a devout Christian, and an all-around Cool Chick.

Cromwell deserves his own biopic miniseries! “The only man with any GUTS in English history . . . not a big man . . . not a big man at all . . .”

So what? It should be done anyway! Fuck the Muslims! They don’t own Muhammad! They might think they do, but they don’t! He’s a historical figure, and as such, he belongs to all humanity, and especially to Hollywood!

Of course, it would help if they can find an actor who is Arabic-looking and dying of cancer . . .

The Mountains of the Moon was done in 1990 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100196/), but it was all about Burton and Speke’s search for the sources of the Nile. Burton’s earlier trip to Mecca (disguised as a Muslim) hasn’t been done yet and would make a good film topic.

Nitpicks: It would have been Constantinople, not Rome (by that time permanently lost to the Empire), and Tiberius would have been hiding in a Christian church, not a pagan temple. Also, in the time of Justinian II the Khazars were still pagan and had not yet converted to Judaism. There’s a good historical novel about him, Justinian, by H.N. Turteltaub (same person as Harry Turtledove – I think he uses his real name for straight historical fiction and a pen-name for AH or other SF.)

There are a few films I would like to see. They include:

  1. The Defense of Hong Kong in World War II
    This was a heroic stand by Canadian forces, that ultimately ended in disaster

  2. The Battle of Vimy Ridge in WWI
    It is said between this battle, and the battle of Ypres, Canada became a country

  3. The Siberian Expeditions of 1917-1920
    I believe Khruschev is the only person I remember making mention of this in the public, when he staed in the United Nations that if the United States and Russia went to war, it wouldn’t be the first time that Americans were defeated by Russians on Russian soil. Not to mention the otehr countries involved, including Canadians who engaged Bolshevik forces in -40 degree celsius weather. The only conflict of the 20th century that I can recall that took place above the Arctic Circle

  4. A bio-pic of Voltaire
    This man’s life is possibly the most interesting one I have ever read about. I would even venture to say his writing are the most influential in French history, even moreso than Rousseau

  5. The battle of the Plains of Abraham
    Most Americans don’t realize that this battle on a plateau in Quebec was possibly the most important battle ever fought by Europeans on North American soil. If the French had of won, it would have made for a very different place that we now call home. This battle also took place during the war were American and British soldiers foughtg side by side essentially under the same banner.

Nitpicking the nitpick :)…

Not quite. Your larger point is correct - it was indeed Constantinople, not Rome ( Justinian II’s allied Bulgar army was encamped outside the formidable defenses of the cityand not being able to penetrate them, Justinian was forced to make a daring counter-coup via infiltartion, as noted ).

However Rome at that point was still under the technical, if waning, authority of Byzantine exarch of Ravenna. It wasn’t until 40 years after Justinian II died, in 751, that Ravenna definitively fell to the Lombards and the first really rebellious Pope ( vis-a-vis Imperial authority ) was probably Gregory II ( 715-731 ).

But of course the wider point that Rome had long since ceased being the center of the state still holds.

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So far as I know, there has never been a movie about King Philip’s War, a war between the Massachusetts colonists and Wampanoag Indians, 1675-76. I read once, can’t find the cite, that in terms of the percentage of the whole American population killed (defining “Americans” as the English colonists and excluding the Indians), this was far and away the bloodiest war in American history.

Actually they did more or less work King Philip’s War into the plot of the 1995 adaptation of The Scarlet Letter (with Demi Moore and Gary Oldman), but the less said of that, the better.

Not quite: according to this USAF page, they flew with the RAF from Feb 1941 to Sep 1942; Dunkirk was in May/June 1940. Actually, a dramatisation of James Goodson’s story (or any other of the volunteer Eagle Squadron pilots) would get my vote.

A bio of Montgomery (as suggested) would be good, though I’d really like to see a biography of Claude Auchinleck, Montgomery’s predecessor in the desert. He’s had short shrift from history (who? you’re probably asking), and Monty claimed credit for a lot of things the Auk did, to the extent that Auchinleck sued both Monty & Churchill (successfully) after the war for what they said in their memoirs. I like the Auk’s character; and the story of his political tussle with Churchill in the summer of 1942 where he basically decided to save his army (i.e. its men) rather than his career is IMHO one of the most dramatic & ultimately tragic personal stories I know (shortly after, his wife ran off with another man), though not exactly standard Hollywood fare.

There’s a book called Down the great unknown: John Wesley Powell’s 1869 Journey of Discovery and Tragedy through the Gand Canyon that would make a great film. Powell was civil war vet with one arm that led an expidition through the as-of-yet unexplored Grand Canyon. I’m pretty sure it was the first white-water rafting trip ever made (at least in the US) and they did it in boats that really had no business being in rapids. Lot’s of personal conflicts and interesting characters. It sounds dull, but it’s actually quite fascinating.

I think a movie based on the murder of George Wythe would be a fascinating window onto that era of American history.

For those not familiar, George Wythe was an attorney in Williamsburg, a law professor of great renown whose students included Thomas Jefferson (who loved him like a father) and James Madison, and a signer of the Declaration of Independence. Unlike most of the Founding Fathers from Virginia, he also had lots of cash (i.e. his money wasn’t tied up in land and slaves and debts).

Wythe hated slavery and when his second wife died he freed his own slaves and hers. One, Lydia Broadnax, was a mulatto who voluntarily remained with Wythe after her manumission and almost certainly became his concubine. It is generally believed that he was the father of her son, a very gifted light skinned boy named Michael Brown born when Wythe was 60 years old. Wythe’s legitimate children had died in infancy and, regardless of his paternity, Michael definitely was treated like a son by the old man. Brown was one of the best educated people of color in the United States and assisted Wythe with his law practice and his business interests, respected by almost all who knew him both black and white. (Brown was never a slave.)

Enter the bad guy: Wythe had a grandnephew named George Wythe Sweeney who was closerthanthis to a black cape wearing “Boo! Hiss!” villain. He was raised by Wythe after his parents died but was a complete oxygen thief: a drunk, liar, embezzler and whoremonger who squandered his own inheritance, wasted the educational opportunities his rich granduncle offered him, and took to forging checks on his granduncle’s bank accounts.

It became rumored that Wythe had changed his will to favor Michael Brown over his grandnephew and that Sweeney had in fact been all but disinherited. Sweeney, deep in debt and unwilling to let this happen, poisoned the entire household: Wythe, Lydia, and Michael Brown. Lydia actually witnessed him emptying a packet into their food (he claimed it was “spices”); everybody but for him became extremely sick after dinner. Lydia recovered, but the 80 year old Wythe and the 20 year old Brown both died.

Wythe’s will left his house and grounds to Lydia Broadnax, his bank stock and cash gifts to Michael Brown, and the rest of his considerable estate to his nephew. He appealed to his beloved former student, Thos. Jefferson, then president, to not only serve as executor but to personally oversee the completion of Michael Brown’s education (an odd request to make of so important a man just for the son of a servant, thus adding fuel to the rumors of Brown’s paternity). Since Brown predeceased Wythe, his share of the estate went to Sweeney.

Sweeney was arrested and tried for the murder, but even though there was an eyewitness, she was not allowed to testify. Lydia Broadnax, though free and a property owner, was black by law and thus could not testify against a white man. He inherited his uncle’s estate (though he did at least have the courtesy to end badly).

Why I think this would make for great film (or novel): it is impossible to know from the historical record exactly what Thomas Jefferson, himself almost certainly the father of mulatto children and the recent survivor of a major scandal over Sally Hemings, thought of the ordeal or what role he took in the trial (there is much speculation that he was involved), but a movie could definitely entertain private thoughts or conversation (twixt him and Sally or twixt him and Madison). Ultimately he

Already done

I hated that movie-I couldn’t even watch the first half. I much preferred the HBO movie with Alan Rickman and Ian McKellen, as was mentioned.
I’d like to see a movie about the Crimean War. And Titanic has had how many movies made about her-what about the sinking of the Lusitania?