Bozuit, yes it is common knowledge and has been for a very long time but for some reason it is ignored when treating patients with a variety of ills. I feel like it is a science onto itself that could be a powerful healing tool as well as a life enhancer.
Suburban, I have had about a 15 year run on this flight shooting thing and the last 2 months have kind of burned me out. I authored a chapter in the traditional bowyers bibles called the “mass principle” on building all wood bows. I will soon start a thread on the subject if you are interested
Dude, subscribing.
What?
Bosses and Tv sets are decidedly NOT like elephants, neither are really a ‘simple’ force, (what does that even mean?), we exert substantial control over both, in fact, and who, anywhere, anytime, thought we were competing with them?
Again, what? How does this sentence follow the previous? I’m not following. Elephants and bosses are examples of managing when chemicals can affect us, how exactly?
So we’re talking about ‘managing when chemicals can affect our lives’? Huh?
(Requesting another tablespoon of clarity, please!)
Elbows, I can see where my thought was fragmented. I have thought about this topic for years but never really written about it before. When I said bosses are like elephants I only meant to those that see them as a threat, most of us don’t and some of us do to varing degrees. Same with TV, most of us don’t see the characters as real life competitors but some do. I was basicaly making reference usining two not so good examples of things we deal with in life that we have no control over and can sometimes ruin our day or more.
If you look at all the trumped up phonies that make a living selling us back our own chemicals it tends to become a more viable topic. Guys like Tony Robins are a good example, I like Tony Robbins but basicaly what he is doing is pumping up a crowd on their own juices. Preachers do it everday and then they ask you to put the money in the basket. Men and women have learned to manipulate one another by recognizing and feeding into their weaknesses. They simply give the other one something they are lacking and the dope response they get sends them back for more.
Awareness of our own bodies and mind and possibly a better understanding of what we really need to complete us as human beings. Identity issues are huge in todays society. If we step back a few hundred years we might find ourselves in a village where everyone has a vital function they perform. Hunter, farmer, builder, metal worker, weapon maker etc… They were needed if not in many cases indispenceable.
Just the act of being listened to when you speak is huge! In our society you will find that once one has established himself as successful others will listen when he speaks, if not chances are he will be talking to walls. In the old society they would revel in stories of how they solved a problem. They would take turns sharing their little exploits and everyone would listen.
Men and women have very different rolls we fill in the family unit. Men are responsible for making sure the family has access to entertainment and recreational activities. He is also the protector, provider, leader in many cases and a father figure. The women of the house is often expected to maintain the home even if she works. Be the mother figure and example setter. Keep the husband emotionaly and physicaly satisfied and still maintain a happy positive attitude. If the partner is especially good at any one single thing the other things become more tolerable. I feel the reason for this is that good feelings are from good drugs, stimulated by the key person. I
I am hoping this thread will take on a more specific direction at some point.
Here’s what I’ve gotten so far:
“I’m choosing to believe that some vague stuff about positive thinking and chemicals, because I think it would be neat if it were true.”
“Stuff that makes us feel good makes us feel good.”
“There are chemicals in our body that do stuff.”
I eagerly await more revelations.
I am kind of baffled here. I am just trying to start a conversation on our natural chemicals and hormones. Nothing more nothing less, it just doesn’t seem that complicated to simply talk about something if you are interested, if not I can understand that to.
You say you want this thread to take a specvific direction at some point, but that just isn’t how it’s done here. The OP(you) is supposed to start the conversation on a specific topic, usually having a lot to do with the title of the thread that the OP(again, you) starts with. You can’t just throw everything running through your mind into a pile and ask us to make something of it.
Pick one specific thing you wish to talk about, please.
I don’t want you to think I am ungrateful for your attempts to clarify, I do appreciate it very much. I can even appreciate something you’ve thought a lot about, getting all jumbled up when you spill it.
I was seriously hoping the same thing, to be honest. But it’s your thread, you’re the one’s supposed to be steering the ship.
So far you’ve not said anything much that anyone can agree or disagree with, just, well, a bunch of disjointed thoughts on, well, something with brain chemicals and feeling good, and how that can affect us. Uh huh…so what exactly is it you want to talk about?
I admit that stuff like this:
which is basically saying “I know and understand stuff that science not only does not know, but CANNOT know because of its fundamental flaws” makes my defensive shield flip on instantly to max. If you’re going to start off with something like that, there better be something damned impressive following to justify it. In my experience, it rarely if ever does.
Smeg, I liked your response, exactly what I was hoping for to get this topic started. I have no expertise in this field beyond life experience and the casual reading I have done over the years. I can give you " a dammed impressive following" For starters many of the eastern religions have practiced for hundreds of years " mantras" and " chanting". In some of the more extreme sects you will see them come out of these sessions literaly as high as kites. The followers have become totally dependent on the endorfin rushes and possibly other natural chemicals they have leaned to flood themselves with.
Another example are the followers of gurus like Tony Robins, he brings them to a state of euphoria and a false sense of well being and power. This is drugs, who knows what drugs and who cares what specific drug.
Many churches where the preacher will have them believing they are being touched by the holy ghost.
Runners, sex addicts, gamblers, scientists who will get onto something and can work tirelessly for days at a time. The list is long.
I have a simple hypothisis that society has changed faster than we have evolved to fit into it. Leaving us lacking a lot of the normal stimuli we would get through social interaction, creative problem solving, abd physical excersize. We stumble on things that stimulate these “highs” and keep going back for more even when it is not in healthy amounts.
I feel by examining our own history and looking at the history and examples of others we know we can possibly do a better job in managing our exposure to healthier stimuli.
Science does know what these chemicals do, science does know how they are stimulated I just feel we don’t need to know all the specifics to make good use of them.
I THINK I get it.
This proposition of Badger’s is nothing new. I’d say it belongs in the category of “simplify life.” You’ll find many gurus and promoters of this advice through the ages.
When you strip away all the “excess” modern society has piled onto daily living, you can better experience your personal reaction to joy-love-anticipation-camaraderie-anger-threat. Too often, people are simply overwhelmed at the bombardment they endure just slogging through each day, and they cope by mentally shutting down. TV has been called the “plug-in drug” because it can be so hypnotizing that it pulls people away from any social interaction.
I believe people pursue what interests them, or where they have demonstrated a natural talent. In your case, the design and crafting of primitive bows gives you a sense of accomplishment, and the reward of pleasure when you finish a project. Demonstrating your project to others also delivers a rush of pleasure.
Modern society often triggers anxiety in people, because it irritates the natural “flight or fight” response. When you can’t do either one, the constant flow of adrenaline is exhausting.
A person in the very depths of depression may indeed find relief by engaging in a productive, pleasurable activity. Often, though, the depression is paralyzing. KNOWING you can obtain relief by doing A, B, or C isn’t enough. Studies have shown that the simple passing of time will often allow the depression to abate on its own, without “chemical” intervention, but the amount of TIME lost by the person makes that an unsatisfactory solution.
I do believe that your observations are valid, but I really think that they are nothing unique or new. You might try researching “simplify life” or even look into the “back to the land” movement proposed in the Sixties.
~VOW
Vow, you got exactly what I am was trying to say. I never said they were new, I have been reading about them for at least 40 years now. I feel the present level of understaning is under utilized, but not new by any stretch.
I’m pretty impressed you got all that, I have to say. Props to you, indeed.
What I got was ‘Do what makes you feel good and avoid things that drain your energy!’ Hardly earth shattering insight, but okay.
But I still got the same question, what’s to talk about?
Maybe 1 or 2 out of a 100 will see something to talk about, thats enough for me to have a conversation about this. I miss my coffee shop!
The juices are necessary for a good braise:
I don’t consider fire walking a very level headed approach to self improvement. Just another example of charlatons selling us back our own dope.
Alright, I’ll bite. badger, to what extent or limit do you see for what you call “self improvement”?
Thank You Munch, 1st of all I might have come off in the posts above as if I have some kind of expertise in this field. That was not my intention, I just feel like I recognise a very powerful but under utilized tool that medical and mental health proffessionals could be using instead of pharmicuticals.
Con artists in every shape and form have been using this science for centuries but only for personnal gain. Good managers and teachers to some extent use it without even being conciously aware of it when motivating students or employees. Science knows enough about it now to start applying it or at least start training some proffessionals in what might be considered an experimental field.
I feel like we literaly have a chemical response however small to every single thing we experience. If we tend to be less observing or experience our surroundings less we have less chemical feedback. If things in our life are not going so well in certain areas or all areas it may be related to how we are experiencing things or not experiencing things.
A knowledgeable proffessional may be helpful in suggesting activities to an individual that might help to stimulate chemicals that we may not be getting enough of or in some cases too much of. I would imagine we can easily get out of ballance.
So the question would be do you see the possibility of a health science based on training ourselves to manipulate our own chemicals.
Badger, you might be interesting in researching naturopathy, homeopathy, and other alternative medicine approaches. Aside from the “barks and berries” remedies, they often promote visualization as part of any cure.
~VOW