Fair enough. FTR, neither was I. Saying our soldiers tortured dozens to death is a very serious charge, and you stated it as a fact when you did not know it to be so. I don’t know what to call it besides traitorous slander, so a slanderous traitor is how I feel comfortal characterizing you.
These are not casual accusations you make.
That’s what I was thinking about you.
It’s a two way street. If you make such casual accusations I see no reason to do anything but call a spade a spade.
As vile slanders go, it pales next to the insistence that our soldiers have tortured dozens to death when you do not know it to be a fact.
So, Pot. Kettle. Black. Make your own bed, and lie in it.
No. Debate by proxy isn’t my cup of tea.
Sure does. Thanks for telling me, so I didn’t waste my time.
Wow, I get that you don’t like Scylla, but isn’t that a little much.
Scylla, I am willing to take your word you were there. I still don’t see why this is enough to justify everything the Bush/Cheney admin is doing.
IMHO: If we surrender freedoms and resort to torture than America has lost.
Oh, Ok. I guess I just assumed there is no good reason to make a claim like that.
I would still like to understand how he can be this extreme. It just doesn’t add up. I like things to add up.
It doesn’t. Steveg1 made a big deal about how he was in the area for 9/11 as if that gave his argument special athority. I bring it up in rebuttal to say, big deal.
“Torture” gets thrown around a lot, but it’s an undefined term. What steps are reasonable and proper while interrogating a prisoner, and where does reasonable interrogation cross a line and become torture?
Where do you draw the line?
It would make a good thread of its own,
I will make it this simple. Let McCain review our interrogation techniques I will better trust his judgment than my own or yours on this issue. Call it deep and insightful information.
I find it very disturbing the very fact that Cheney is even interested in maintaining the possibility of torture in our arsenal of weapons against terror. It lowers the entire country.
I asks now more specifically how can you support his request?
What have I said that you find extreme? I’m simply taking issue with extremity. “Freedom is on it’s last legs,” “What about the dozens our forces torture and kill” “A seven day intelligence restriction in 2001 is proof that the house and senate weren’t getting intelligence information years later.”
Stupid stuff like this deserves a strong response, IMHO.
As discussed in this thread, and specified in this post, and as specified in Sen. McCain’s proposed legislation, the Army Field Manual 34-52, Intelligence Interrogation seems to do a pretty good job of drawing the line.
No doubt. I don’t think it’s a decision that should be made by one man regardless though. Then there’s the fact that the mother of a boy killed by a drunk driver doesn’t necessarily make good law.
I don’t. I haven’t. I don’t know specifically what he’s asking for. I somehow doubt that he’s asking to be allowed to “torture.”
I’ll google the issue and see what he’s asking for and let you know what I think of it.
Where did you get that? No where did I claim to be there on THAT day. My relatives were, I wasn’t. I did say I worked in the area at 40 Wall Street. Near the Treasury Building. Don’t make things up.
That is fair, even your point about McCain, but as I don’t believe torture is the tool of an honorable government, I would still be willing to allow him to be the arbiter.
I think maybe what Cheney asked for will shock you. It was the last straw for me and I thought I was already there with him. Even Bush seems to want to distance himself from this one.