Oh, come now. Recontextualizing music (when done creatively) is a valid artform. Classical artists of all media have done so throughout the ages. While there is a certain difference between this and your classical “variations on a theme,” in the modern context I don’t think reimagining music by directly sampling violates the basic principle. In fact, I generally think of it as an extension of post-modern philosophy.
He’s already done a “remix/reworking” of a Zeppelin song, and Jimmy Page worked with him on it!! They used the main guitar riff from “Kashmir” and the song was called “Come With Me.” It was on the soundtrack to Godzilla, along with The Wallflowers cover of “Heroes.”
Well, I’ll reserve my judgment until I hear it. I actually liked his reworking of Kashmir. OK, it took me about 4 or 5 listens before I got into it, but I thought it was pretty energetic and clever for mainstream rap music.
Led Zeppelin did more than a little “recontextualizing” (borrowing/“stealing”) themselves in their early days. People said much tthe same about Led Zeppelin in the late 1960’s that people say about rappers today (No talent loudmouthed and vulgar hacks ripping off old songs).
I like Led Zeppelin, but as Pete Townsend said, every rock guitarist is a “magpie and a thief”, and Jimmy Page certainly fits that profile. Page would probably be too embarassed to cseriously claim someone was ‘ripping’ his work off, when his own ripoffs were so blatant.
Oh, come now. come now, come now. Yeah, know what I’m sayin’!. Recontextualizing music (when done creatively) is a valid artform. Uh huh, uh huh Classical artists of all media have done so throughout the ages. throughout the ages, not in your textbook pages!! While there is a certain difference between this and your classical “variations, variations, variations, variations, on a theme,” Yeah, don’t dis this, you might miss this in the modern context I don’t think reimagining REIMAGINING, DON’T ROCK DA MIC! music by directly sampling violates the basic principle. You better believe it. Now get in my car, bitch! come now, come now, come now, come now In fact, I generally think of it as an extension of post-modern philosophy. Yo!
I think that’s worth at least 5% of any royalties… I had to make up the rhymes all myself! …thank very much.
Well, Sting obviously thought that the use of his song in “I’ll Be Watching You” was so bad, he went on stage with P. Diddy at the Grammy Awards.
P. Diddy is an excellent sampler, and his choices in the music to sample with which songs are very well done. The thing is, he is an awful rapper. We don’t have Timbaland dropping 16-verse stanzas on any of Missy Elliot’s songs, and thank goodness we don’t. Missy would take a garbage bag and put it over his head. P. Diddy should take the same cue.
Who said anything about ‘proper’ hip hop? In fact, who mentioned it at all? I thought this thread was about P. Diddy and Stairway to Heaven? Are you claiming that P. Diddy is ‘proper’ hip hop? Surely you’re not saying that Sairway To Heaven is?
And it was supposed to be parody. You know, like intentionally bad?
Negativland is one of the few artists that I know of which really explore the artistic potential of sampling – the band takes a whole bunch of samples from various sources, piles them together and sees what happens. P. Diddy is so incredibly lazy in his choices – he takes the main riff of a really popular song and pretty much does nothing to it.
sorry - i misunderstood you. i thought you were criticising sampling in general rather than puff daddy’s use of the technique. i guess i overreacted after seeing so many hip hop threads with people who feel the need to chime in and tell everyone that hip hop really isn’t proper music.
i’m not a led zeppelin fan. i doubt mr diddy’s effort will be listenable, but that doesn’t in anyway make the original bearable.