indeed, that isn’t a per-annum figure though is it? which was the problematic statement under question.
So, did you read just a little further down where it states
using that as an average is idiotic but clearly it isn’t a figure that comes from nowhere. Perfectly normal, healthy women can have only 9 periods year.
Again, let me stress. I’m not defending sloppy estimates but merely pointing out a pretty mundane way in which an incurious person might grab onto that figure.
Googling a pretty straightforward term leads me to the first site on which the first per-annum figure for an adults mentions 9 periods a year.
Sloppy, unsuitable as a generalisation but clearly not fantasy.
I wasnt going by the site you linked. I copied the paragraph that the Google search gave above the results. The entirety of it.
ETA basic math shows 10.4285714285714 periods in a 365 day year with 35 day cycles.
Sure, and if we were asking the question “where could someone get the idea that the gap, in days, between periods is “X” ?” then that might be relevant. It wasn’t though, it was expressed per-annum which is a curious enough way of expressing it anyway and suggests to me that no maths was done, very little thought or research was applied and that a simple search for a per-annum figure can lead someone to “9”
And yet- that’s not what you googled first time around. The first one didn’t have nine per year in the results summary, did it?
And did you edit out your “basic maths” remark?
Wait- the"gap between periods"? Is that how you think the cycle is counted?b like a menstrual cycle is what happens between periods? Bleeding ends, so Day 1-35, then next period starts?
I have absolutely no idea what I googled the very first time I did it. The original link I gave wasn’t the first time I did it. I’ve used some variation of the term “period per year, menstrual periods per year, how many periods per year” something of that nature. As it happens in some cases the per annum figure appears, in some it doesn’t.
I may not use google the same way as you do though, I don’t use the summary as the point of reference but as long as the summary suggests that first link is relevant then I click through to it and read that. Is that not normal?
I did because my basic maths was wrong and that whole rabbit-hole would lead to unnecessary confusion.
My point is that a lazy person looking for a per-annum figure could easily find “9” through a simple google and would be unlikely to do the basic maths to derive it from the quoted numbers of days and could easily get it wrong if they tried.
No the cycle is counted from day 1 of period A to day 1 of period B, and this is not about my understanding of menstruation, fuck me, I was steeped in the bloody, painful details of it for 20+ years untll a genius of an NHS consultant worked his magic.
This is about how someone…an idiot…who does not know any better…might get the idea that “9” is a suitable figure to use for estimation purposes.
At no point have I ever tried to do anything of the kind. I never “mansplained” in any way shape or form. Feel free to paste a quote of mine where I do anything like that. You won’t because you can’t because they don’t exist.
Go on, take your time. It’s all there for you.
And I note, yet again, almost as if you are trying to make my point for me, that a bullshit invented term is used as a way of avoiding engaging with what is actually being said.
You could have picked me up on any real instance of the things you accuse me of, but tellingly you don’t. You coin a word that means fuck-all but is close enough to an accepted conversation-stopper (that I have also not been guilty of), in order to “hur-hur” your way to a self-congratulatory win without having to expend the energy or wit required to even formulate let alone defend a coherent thought.
Apparently it’s how all the kids are debating these days.
Did I miss someone arguing that there’s no explanation for how this idiot in particular or idiots in general could latch onto a false number? Does it matter to the argument as a whole how he messed up? I think not.
My throwaway comment on the “9 per year” figure that started this was
Not quite sure why such a statement is contentious but unfortunately people love to read what they think was said rather than what actually was said.
The part where I state…really clearly (bolding is mine)…that what they did was a bad thing?..totally fucking glossed over, ignored. Somehow it seems that what I wrote here is a defence in some way.
So, your hypothetical “lazy person” reads that a woman should expect to have a period about once a month and doesn’t immediately think, “Oh, that’s about 12 times per year”? As I said, it’s a special kind of stupid.
I’m not exactly sure what you are arguing about or why it is causing you such concern seeing as we don’t actually seem to be disagreeing.
I gave a possible way in which an idiot might look for “number of periods a year”, come up with the figure “9 periods a year”. That’s it. I didn’t even think it was worthy of particular comment above “yep, some people are that thick”
You seem to be too personally offended to even entertain the possibility of it. I would not be surprised in the least by it, depressed and disillusioned yes, but surprised? not at all. I’ve met people and some are utter fucking imbeciles. Assessing a reasonable estimate for yearly menstrual periods may as well be fucking string theory to some people.
It’s contentious because it’s not as simple as “it’s okay to be wrong, as long as you don’t double down when you are corrected.”
Here’s the deal. This dude wasn’t just musing. He was calling women LIARS when they said that menses cost $X a month, because according to his math, it shouldn’t cost more than $Y. His “math” shows so many misunderstandings that it’s literally baffling: not just the low-ball “9 times a year”, but the idea that (total ml of fluid) x (max capacity of tampon) was the appropriate way to calculate how many tampons a period takes.
It takes a special kind of hubris to think it’s appropriate to call others liars about their own experiences when you clearly have absolutely no point of reference. This is “they wouldn’t have to buy pads if they weren’t too lazy to hold it” level ignorance. And while there’s nothing wrong with not knowing, there’s something wrong with acting as if you do when you damn well don’t. And it reveals a profound disrespect–he couldn’t be bothered to ask, or he thought there was no one TO ask, because there’s a certain type of man who literally never asks women anything.
And as a woman, I find it especially irritating to be called a liar about my own experience from a position of extreme ignorance because I can’t begin to get away with that. In professional settings, I have to preface new ideas with 'This might be a bad idea" or “Probably yall already thought about this . . .” and if I want to disagree with someone I have to be a fucking lawyer, laying out a non-confrontational line of questioning that takes twenty minutes because if I don’t, I’ll be perceived as a fucking harping bitch–when my male co-workers can be blowhards and make fools of themselves and they are excused as being, at worst, a little awkward–and at best as “leaders”.
So no, it’s not okay to call people liars about their own experience using “math” you pulled out of your ass, and then retreat to “I’m sorry, I just didn’t KNOW, you can’t blame me because I didn’t KNOW”.
And when you seem to be trying to save his ass–“he’s just thick, ya know? Lots of people are,” it’s also frustrating. You’re making excuses for boorish behavior on the part of a strange man without showing any sympathy or understanding of how frustrating it is to be lectured about how much your periods SHOULD cost.
Once again, there was no discussion to shut down. And because your posts have displayed the same lack of listening to and taking in the comments of people who have* actually experienced* mansplaining over and over and over, you deserve the epithet.