Partial birth abortions appear to be increasing, according to the Guttmacher Institute. Congress is moving to address the issue on a national basis. Should PBA or late term abortions be prohibited?
I vote NO on prohibiting partial birth abortion. Once we agree that’s it OK to kill a fetus, I don’t care what method is used.
I vote NO on prohibiting 3rd trimester abortions, although there are certainly good arguments for saving a viable fetus. One could argue that 6 months is enough time for a pregnant woman to make up her mind. Still, I support continuing to use the act of birth to define the beginning of humanity, because it seems so natural.
I have to agree with you and say “NO” also but for diffrent reasons. Basicaly unless you are the one who is pregnant I dont think you should have any say in if an abortion is done or not. All of these “Pro-life” people out there realy make me laugh. They will kill abortion doctors and prevent women from going into clinics, but you never hear about them going into orphanages and adopting some of the unwanted children. I want them to explain to me why an abortion is worse than if a woman has a child she doesnt want and then puts it up for adoption. Childeren raised by the state comeout fucked up and if they arent adopted by the time they are 18 they are thrown away a second time. The state considers them an adult so they cant stay in the group home any more. A life where you you know every second of the day that you werent wanted isnt much of a life at all.
I’m pro-choice but BURNER there are a few generalised statements in that post of yours. I’d watch the use of “All” if I were you. Some pro-life(what an annoying term BTW) people may get quite offended by it
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So you think that all people not adopted should have been aborted?
As to the OP while I’m not from the US and abortion is currently illegal in Ireland (we just export the problem to the UK) I’d vote:
No / No
I’m under no illusion as to what a abortion and still I say it’s up to the parent/s to decide.
Adopting 3 children is a good start. Now if all of the other pro-lifers would follow the example then there wouldnt be anymore unwanted children. If ,as you say, they are “half of Americans” they all might just have to take 1 child to make foster care and group homes a thing of the past. Too bad most of them would rather protest that adopt.
Let me say it again, if you arent the one carrying the baby then you should mind your own buisness. No one has the right to tell another person what to do with their own bodie.
December, you are well-known as a conservative around here, but your position on abortion calls into question the meaning of the term “conservative” since in the eyes of a lot of people, opposing abortion is the first word in conservatism.
As for PBA, I would be willing to accept a ban if that could be the basis for a compromise that would end the this bitter, divsive dispute over abortion. The anti-abortion movement really, really wants this ban, but what are they willing to give up in exchange for it? They make a great deal out of the “gruesome” appearance of the procedure, and emphasize the idea that the fetus is in the process of “being born” during it. But no such considerations are present when the issue is stem-cell research or the morning-after pill, but pro-lifers oppose these too. So are they willing to accept a compromise and agree to stop attacking abortion rights overall, or would agreeing to this ban amount to appeasement?
I prefer the terms “anti-abortion” and “abortion rights”. You can’t get any clearer than “anti-abortion” while “pro-life” is flightily euphamistic and glassy-eyed and unspecific. Environmentalists could be called pro-life. “Pro-abortion” is unacceptable because there is a difference between supporting the legality of abortion and actually favoring that women get them. “Pro-choice” is euphamistic too, but emphasizing choice is important since the anti-abortionoids would very much like to portray the siuation as one where the evil society is forcing innocent young girls to kill their babies.
Oh, so you think it’s okay to kill a full term baby in the normal prosess of being born with just the head still in the birth canal by stabbing it in the back of the neck and sucking the brains out. You call this a fetus!? Just because all of a sudden mommy decides she doesn’t want it. What part of “Thou shalt not kill” don’t you understand? How any doctor who would perform this legalized murder could sleep at night is beyond my comprehension!
pro-life annoys me because if I’m not in that camp does it mean that I am not pro-life?
I think that the parent/s should have the right to decide their future and the future of their child.
Pro-abortion would annoy me as well because while I may not agree with aborting a child of mine I/society have no business IMO making that decision for anyone else. Pro-choice does not equal pro-abortion IMO.
I’m not going to come up with alternatives as it’s a minefield and it could easily hijack this thread too much.
I must share this to hopefully make some of you reconsider your convictions:
I use to consider myself a very, very strong pro-life advocate and even held to the conviction of “even if a woman is raped, she can still put the child up for adoption. At least the would get the chance to experience life.”
However one day while I was brushing my teeth*, a thought crossed my mind: What if my wife were raped? Would I change my stance for this one scenario? That seems hypocritical. But surely I wouldn’t want to raise a child that is not mine… the rapist could have some hereditary traits to make the child prone to violence (no cites, just an example for argument’s sake). After that thought, I realized that if that happened, I would support my wife on whatever she decided to do. So I guess I am pro-choice.
Why don’t some of you (no-exception-pro-lifers) answer that question as well? What would you want to happen if your wife / mother / sister were raped (and impregnated)? Would you shun her for choosing an abortion? (directed to males)
(females–>) What would you do if you were raped (& impregnated)? What if the rape were by a family member?
[sub]*as the song goes: “The important things in life are apt to blindside you on some idle Tuesday…”—The sunscreen song[/sub]
99% of the partial birth abortions aren’t done on the basis of “Mommy has decided she doesn’t want it”. They are done due to a medical condition of the fetus or when the mother’s life is at risk. If they outlaw that 1 percent I’m fine with it. If the pro-lifers are willing to take in horificly deformed children, as well as ALL of the expenses and emotional pain (that might be a bit tougher) then I’m willing to give up that bit as well. Where the life of the mother is at stake, I have no qualms with a PBA.
I agree beagledave pro reproductive choice would be better.
While I understand that I’m looking at it from a one sided perspective but it still annoys me.
I’ve had several people on hearing that I was pro choice accuse me of wanting to kill babies they then proceeded to get so far up the ass of the pro life lobby that they could see the Popes feet
