As you well know, I was not making any complaints about how the board was run either.
My post was addressed to Lightnin’ - as far as I know, he does not run the board.
You don’t think a Baptist minister’s wife who is a surrogate mother with purple streaks in her hair is unusual?
Regards,
Shodan
It’s uncommon, yeah. But the OP pointed out that they were kind of young and naive, and anyway he’s not a baptist minister anymore–the purple streak and all that other jazz got them removed. I don’t think it’s so weird that at least one naive young guy tried to push the boundaries and got told, “No.”
Because it hurts **Shodan’s **feewings.
You heard it here, first. Personal experiences can no longer be posted on the SDMB unless they can be personally verified by Shodan. 'Cause, you know, liberals. And **Shodan **feels that he *does *run the board.
He’s still a Baptist minister- just not in that particular church. He didn’t get defrocked AFAIK. If he’s Southern Baptist that may be pending- probably due to the surrogacy thing. But if he’s American Baptist or another moderate-liberal type (yes, there are moderate to liberal Baptist churches), he may well be OK.
[Moderator Note]Knock off the personal attacks now,[/Moderator Note]
He could be defrocked for his wife’s actions?
Certainly. The husband is responsible for the wife’s behavior, according to the conservative wing of the Baptists!
Anybody who has been around Baptists long enough to become a Minister shouldn’t be the least bit surprised by this sort of thing.
I am told that this church is an American Baptist. Whether it is liberal or not, I have my doubts.
I wasn’t aware that Baptist churches had any formal defrocking. Each local congregation is teoretically independant and can ordain anyone they see fit. I’m sure he could be denied fellowship by the American (or Southern) Baptist Conference, but I don’t think they can “undo” his ordination and I’m not sure what would happen if another church in the same conference hired him. They might lose their representation in the conference, but I don’t know if they would lose their fellowship as well.
Ah, okay, sorry for the mistakes.
Anyway, you seem more well versed in this stuff and you said you don’t think it’s all that out there. I mean, it would be one thing if it were a pastor who’d been there for twenty years and everyone loved him then his wife had an accidental dyeing mishap and they got driven out of town on a rail. But a young experimental guy trying to shake things up and being told, “Not here, thanks,” seems about right. As you say, maybe he’s in a more liberal church and maybe he’ll find a community that’s a bit more to his liking.
Wiki on American Baptist Association.
Honestly, I would guess it’s about as likely as getting another job as, say,a college president. It might happen - probably won’t.
It doesn’t sound real weird to me, either: I have shared the story here about a former pastor who was dismissed by our church because he remarried. He was still a Southern Baptist minister: in fact, he got another gig at another church. But the church did not want him as their pastor any longer, because they felt he was breaking God’s law: so they voted for him to leave.
It doesn’t sound strange, but it sure doesn’t make it right. I think this whole thing is disgusting.
Said and now done. The name of the organization is Growing Generations. The website is growinggenerations.com
There is a thing on youtube also.
The proper thing to do in any conversation is to take the person’s statements at face value until you have reason otherwise.
The only thing shocking about this is not how the woman acted, but how she’s being treated. I’ve seen a whole lot worse in Baptist churches. The whole POINT of every Baptist church I’ve been to is that they say they will not judge you for how your appearance.
I don’t get what surrogacy has to do with anything. Another nice thing about Baptists I know: if it ain’t in the (KJV) Bible, it ain’t a sin. In fact, they get all hopping mad about a certain other church (Catholic) that has a bunch of extra rules not straight from the Bible.
I find all of this appalling, and I find it appalling that you guys think it’s normal behavior. But at least I’m not going to call the OP a liar like a certain poster in this thread.
Ummm…
Kanicbird, a “pastor” and a “shepherd” might be different roles/“gifts” according to Scripture, but etymologically, they are synonyms. A pastor IS a shepherd. That’s the meaning of the word “pastor”. I’ll give you three guesses why the words “pastor” and “pasture” are morphologically similar. What do you think a poem or work of art in the “pastoral” tradition is? That’s right: a work that deals with shepherding, flocks, or some other similarly bucolic motif.
Yet another case of “Scripture” not having anything at all to do with reality.
Pastor fired for threatening to give sermon about Christ’s teachings. News at 11.
Because I’m an atheist and against religion, I don’t support the pastor’s firing.
Yog,
Would you have supported the pastor’s hiring in the first place??