People who adore Michelle Obama, what is your motivation

Your first link is talking about a claims made in a book written by Edward Klein, the same slimeball that wrote that ugly smear about Mrs. Clinton, The Truth About Hillary.

I believe the first time I heard the phrase: “They go low; you aim high” was on “Housewives of Orange County.”

Made correctly, black bean brownies are really good. My wife makes them. You wouldn’t know that there were black beans in them if you weren’t told.

Even if your son had to suffer through a bad black bean brownie or, god forbid, skipped desert because he wouldn’t try it, that’s not much of a reason to hate someone.

Maybe it’s just me, but this post reads like it came out of the 1950s or something.

I decided at the age of 10 that I hated Michael Dukakis because he talked too long at the DNC, which resulted in me and the rest of the chorus from my elementary school getting bumped off the program.

Such is the way of kids.

It’s likely NOT true. The DailyMail is a basically about as credible and objective as the New York Post, which itself is only a notch or two above the Enquirer. It publishes rumors as though they were facts. I’m not trying to call you out but you need to be a little better at differentiating online sources based on their reputation for reporting accurate information.

I like Michelle Obama because she seems like a likeable person. She’s obviously a bright woman - how bright she is I don’t know and don’t care, but she obviously seems educated. But my sense that she was always down-to-earth. She never came across as being an elitist. She seemed interested in genuinely using her role to help raise awareness to important social issues affecting people across this country. She just seems like a genuinely caring and compassionate person.

So yeah, I like Michelle Obama. But more than that, I admire her. I admire her because she is a black woman – I mean like very black, not biracial like her husband – who stepped into a role that has been developed over 200 years by white women and white society. The public’s perception of a First Lady is based on cultural norms established by largely socially and economically elite whites. Michelle, like her husband, faced challenges that nobody else before her had ever faced: how to be a woman for all of the many demographics of Americans on one hand while simultaneously acknowledging the traditions and etiquette of her role, according to white cultural norms that have been established over more than two centuries. The Obamas were in the unusual position of being obligated to serve the needs of all segments in a diverse society while taking care not to frighten a white majority. And as it has become painfully obvious over the last several years, that is very, very damn challenging.

Actually I was, largely. She is very pretty in a non-threatening way - not plastic surgery/anorexia/implants like Hollywood, not overly done up like a beauty pageant contestant. Accessible, sort of - almost “if we were both single I might have a shot, and at least she wouldn’t sneer at me if I hit on her”. But you are correct that it isn’t just her looks. She has that combination of hotness and competence that is screamingly attractive - like she has a lot more going on than being eye candy.

In a way it is like the role of Linda, Danny’s wife, on Blue Bloods . Linda is both strikingly beautiful, and a nurse. Strength, including strength of character, and beauty, including physical beauty, Hoo boy. (If you ever meet the Lovely and Talented Mrs. Shodan you will see what I am talking about.) See also Dr. Jill Biden and Condi Rice for other examples of the type.

I recognize the persona that Michelle Obama projects is neither more (nor less) real than any other public persona, but that’s all I have encountered from her, or am likely to encounter. So, that’s my impression. For a First Lady, it is a persona that works.

Michelle Obama did her role that way. Melania isn’t doing it that way. Laura Bush was like Michelle. Hillary Clinton, to understate it badly, wasn’t. Barbara Bush was more like your favorite grandma. Nancy Reagan was playing more like Best Supporting Actress in a Dramatic Role. Rosalynn Carter was more the Iron Magnolia/Southern beauty pageant organizer type.

Before that, Betty Ford tried, fairly successfully, to be a real person. Pat Nixon was a public non-entity, probably by choice. Lady Bird was like Rosalynn Carter. Jackie was what Melania would be if the press liked her husband as much as they hate him now. Mamie was a dowdy 50s housewife. Bess Truman likewise, except earlier. And Eleanor Roosevelt was one of a kind.

Regards,
Shodan

I like this best. Mrs. Obama is very smart and even more than her husband seemed to understand the uniqueness of being the first African American First Lady. She took that historical role seriously by being an excellent First Lady. Of course she suffered the racism and partisanship that everyone in every administration suffers, but she handled it well. I like her precisely because she had a job and did it well-like the mother of the groom. :slight_smile:

It would still be petty and judgemental of you condemn her for that.

I don’t agree. I never liked Kate Gosselin for the same reason, she has a well polished public image but I always felt that that hid a private person who was far meaner and more selfish than her sculpted public image. I get the same vibe from Michelle Obama.

However I feel you can tell much about a person based on how they treat people they have nothing to gain from being nice to. If I’m wrong (and I’ve been wrong before) then I’m wrong, but the second article implied multiple sources all verify that Michelle Obama is very miserable and stressful to work for. You can be a nice, classy, wholesome person when the cameras are on but once the doors close and you are interacting with people that you have nothing to gain by being nice to, if people say you are a misery and anxiety producing person, that probably signifies your real personality.

Undergrad Princeton; JD Harvard.

If the worst thing you can say about her is that she is a taskmaster in a high stress job then you are really grasping for straws. Maybe I wouldn’t want to work for her, but there are plenty of people I know who are bosses that I like as friends but wouldn’t want to work under. This article was written in 2010 by a hostile magazine so I take the tone with a grain of salt, but even if true I say “so what”?

You’re basically peddling in gossip.

I hope I never become a public figure, because as a woman, I can expect to be compared to reality TV stars rather than people of prominence.

And, according to one of her Harvard professors, a more promising law student than her husband.

Do you have a source for the divorce stuff that isn’t the Daily Fail? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but If the Daily Mail told me the sky is blue, I’d look out the window to check.

Not to hijack this, but: he’s in a Tom Cruise movie later this year, as George W. Bush.

Perfect

Not only that but it’s gossip that mostly comes from a notorious liar.

I did not vote for Obama either time, though I respect him a lot and do think he ended up being an excellent President, one of the best of the last 50 years. I thought Michelle Obama was a great first lady, too.

I like most of the first ladies, though. I mean…they have to put up with being married to the President. It is not easy.