No my drab colored friend, the rub is that perhaps more people will say YIMBY.
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Ah see, now a real concrete issue, who will pay for them? Good question, anyone know the answer?
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I’m not concerned with the visual impact in this particular case, because to be honest, they look fine to me.
for QG Grey.
That’s a cheap one World Eater, and pointless.
The view is the value. The question becomes is the benefit of the wind tower greater than the impact the reduction in the view (and its secondary effects)
Well the point is that hand wringing about us all heading to hell in a hand basket tends to not pan out. Partly due to the Cassandras, partly due to market drivers.
The hydro thing? No idea, but likely they planning team lacked a money grubbing Canadian on the board. 
Oh and I’m not bland, just nicely nuanced. 
I think the impact in the reduction of the view (which I don’t see) should be a secondary effect. I think things like ecological impact, and prohibitive costs should be the primary reasons to shut the proposal down. It’s not like people will be tanning in the shade of the things, they will be six miles off the coast. I guess everyone has a different definition of what the proper non view destroying distance would be, and apparently mine at 30,000 feet away is conservative.
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Well it’s getting worse, not better everyday, and with short sighted planning and a NIMBY attitude, we’ll have some real problems, real soon.
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Because perhaps it’s easier to throw out fantasy scenarios instead of trying to pick a system that will offend somebody no matter what you do, and no matter what that system is.
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No you are far from bland.
“Perceived” being the operative word. Perhaps the reason you haven’t heard any valid arguments is because you haven’t been listening for any. It’s pretty clear to me that you don’t give two hoots about clean power, you came into this thread to judge people and accuse them. That is clearly your motivation. So what are your reasons for putting up the towers? Spite. Yeah, that’s nice.
Of course if the People of Cape Cod want to buy their horizon they could all chip in and buy the company so deadset in ruining thier lives.
I understand people have bought hunks of the American west to preserve it.
Pony up!
So you are saying that I believe those towers should be put up to “stick it to the rich man”?
:::shaking my head and chuckling::::
As far as valid arguments, I’m still waiting for something other the them being “butt ugly”. If I’ve missed where you said anything else of merit, please feel free to point it out.
Well that’s part of the problem and with any luck tdn drop by and tell us if he managed to see the pilot towe planed ~180 ft tall.
I don’t want to hijack this but from my viewpoint my air is cleaner, my water is better and there are more trees in North America than there were a hundred years ago. Eastern Europe’s environemental state is improving with the integration into the west . China and India from a consumption point of view are worrisome but hardly the end of civilization that we know.
Well actually NE and NY do import a fair bit of electricity from Quebec. The fact of the matter is that this development group saw a chance to build and profit from a wind farm at the Cape, built on public land. Had the team proposed a natural gas plant 6 miles down the beach you’d likely get the same response from people who live/play there.
I swear I previewed.
I think in regards to Tdn if it’s visible at all, we’re in trouble. If not him, I’m sure there are people who like to sit on the beach with binoculars who would find them being 10 miles out totally unacceptable.
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Well I don’t want to be an alarmist, but a ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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Good to hear.
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Yes, good point, and why we need to address the NIMBY attitude.
Did I mention the mass flooding and impact on the northern Cree to provide this benign electricity from James Bay?
People!! People!
Let’s not argue anymore!
I’m sure there is perfectly usable Indian reservation or impoverished community we can place these towers in and then everyone is happy!
Yeah…you know there is this whole energy industry out there buying and selling electrons all over North America, right? Or did you think it all just comes from the town powerplant?
Huh, I just looked at the pictures on the developer’s link. The first thing it made me think of was the working harbor in Long Beach CA. Anyone who has been there can tell you, it ain’t pretty. And, doing a quick bit of math shows that a 200’ tower will be visable from almost 20 miles. I don’t think that should be simply dismissed as “not bad.” Now, if some creative paint could make things better, well that might help. I see both sides, but ultimately for the minimal ammount of energy to be produced, I don’t think the impact on the view is worth it. I also have a felling, though I might be wrong, that some of the more vocal proponents of this plan in this thread are probably much more sympathetic to the NIMBY argument when it is a less “green” project at issue.
I should have added, all the pictures of the turbines are during the day. What are they going to look like at night? Who wants 130+ flashing navigation and strobe lights on the horizon? They may be a bigger impact at night than during the day!
So if the plant we import energy from hundreds of miles away is some coal burning monstrosity, that’s ok, right?
The point, you fucking idiot, is to clean up the energy, no matter where it’s coming from.
And yes I’m well aware of utilities buying and selling electricity all over the place.
Supposedly they are looking into the navigational markers only being visible if you are looking down on them.
Really? I can’t believe that is going to work. What would be the point? If you are in a boat, you need to see the markers. It would be nearly criminal negligence to put these things out in open water and leave them unmarked to mariners.
Time to pile on…
Palm Springs and Tehachepi views…Palm Springs being a popular tourist site. I don’t recall tourism dropping when these “beauties” were erected.
As for the view…I’d rather see wind turbines 6 miles (with a 30-40 mile view) away instead a smog limited view of 3 miles and not knowing what the hell is beyond the 3 mile limit. I had to live, breathe, and play football in 1st, 2nd and 3rd stage smog alerts in Fontana, California back in the 70’s next to Kaiser Steel which burned coal to make the steel. I learned how to “forcibly expel” most of the air in my lungs after practice so I could breathe easier after each practice. Granted we choked on more than just coal burning plants; we have way too many cars and clogged transportation corridors out of the state, too many careless people starting too many forest fires “accidentally” & intentionally, etc.
If the potential for wind energy is there, use it…don’t give in to another coal burning plant 10 or 20 miles away because that too will screw up your view as well plus the health risks involved. When California got sucker punched in the electricity market a couple of years back, our group of towns built a natural gas powered electricity plant and didn’t give a second look at wind power which is too bad…now we’re talking about natural gas “shortages” this year and yet the wind is still here waiting to be tapped.
One word - Diversify.
I can think of many more unpleasant things to see from a distance of six miles or more than a wind farm…
Yeticus Rex are you talking about these views?
I ask because they don’t appear to be placed near a main tourism centre, nor do they appear to be close to 300 ft tall.
The zealots in this thread are not those opposed to wind power. The zealots are the ones determined to insist that wind power be used regardless of the wishes of the locals.
The year… 1930
You’re going to put a 5,000 foot long ORANGE bridge across this beautiful strait??? What an eyesore it’ll be!
The year… 1970
You’re going to put up 2 1,350 foot tall square skyscrapers in New York City? That’ll completely fuck up the beautiful skyline!
I think people are seriously overestimating the impact of these things on their wonderful view…