There is no such rule. Stop trying to work the refs by complaining about the moderation in the middle of a discussion. We do have a rule against that, and I have explained this to you before. I’m not going to explain again; I’ll skip ahead to warnings. In the future, if you have questions or complaints about moderating, post about them in ATMB or ask a moderator.
This is my opinion as well. And that deaf lesbian couple that deliberatley tried to have a deaf child is fucked up.
So deaf are only disabled when you’re trying to talk to them, right?
But what you can’t do is completely undo your neurological wiring to be a deaf person. Like I said - to some deaf people, you have the deficit because you can’t ‘see’ what they see or navigate the way they do.
The objection is not to the word disability, but to saying, You are disabled because you have undesirable traits and have deficits. It’s the perspective, the context, the intent. I’m pretty sure you get that part.
You know how I feel about people projecting their own definitions onto other groups…I was mod’d for that. 
If you don’t know (and by know I mean know, not just, “Oh I had had a black neighbor once and he was cool; I’m not racist” type of thing) d/Deaf people, you can’t possibly begin to understand.
Never claimed it wasn’t.
Go ahead. I’m not complaining about moderation; I’m talking about your agreement with the OP and the OP’s premise. You happen to be a mod. If you are a mod and you post and argue with other members, it’s bound to come up.
I’m not going to not defend myself when people deliberately misrepresent what I say and I’m not going to skirt around someone because they have Moderator under their name. It *retards *the conversation.
And the sightless are “only” disabled when they are trying to see.
And the legless are “only” disabled when they are trying to walk.
And the mute are “only” disabled when they are trying to talk.
When you have a disability, you are disabled.
No…your analogy works better if I had said, Not being able to hear is not the same as being deaf.
Just like I can act stupid without being stupid [all the time] or you can have a legal disability without being disabled per law.
If you have depression, can I say, “Czarcasm posts on SD and he’s disabled” ?
Again, cite? What is it that a deaf person can do that I can’t?
Deaf people aren’t trying to hear.
You can be disabled in an area without being disabled all the time. Your opinions are kind of sad and close-minded, really.
TriPolar asked what deaf people can’t do as if there was a debate to be had about it. I said they can’t hear. I am trying in vain to figure out what this comment has to do with anything.
OK; I didn’t say they could. I think this supports what I said about abilities vs. skills.
As a matter of fact, I don’t get it.
Instead of framing the issue this way - which appears to be playing the “I have deaf friends and you just don’t get it” card - why don’t you explain what everybody else should know and why it’s relevant?
If I am permanently “stupid”(as you so ungraciously put it), then I have a disability, and thus I am disabled. If you have part-time deaf people, or people who are willingly not listening, then you might have a point.
And you don’t.
At the intersection of Who Cares Avenue and It’s Obvious People are Arguing More Than This Narrow Point St.
I never said there was something you can’t explicitly train yourself to do (as one could be sensitized to certain things over time, I presume) but you are completely missing the context, either on purpose to annoy me or out of your own ignorance/determination to force your labels onto other people.
Here is a problems-based hearing perspective of education that is a little dated in language but relevant. This person is clearly a student, but gives a good overview of what the Deaf have known for the last hundred years
Deaf & Visual-Spatial Skills
What happens when you take away their natural language
I gave another side to a viewpoint. If you want to argue it, why not go to AllDeaf.com or to a local Deaf event in your area and see what they say?
Hey, I live just a couple of blocks from there.
But if they did, would it make them non-disabled? Does any difference in physiology that results in a group of people forming a “culture” make them non-disabled, where they would be disabled without that culture?
I get this point, but I think that it’s flawed, because the hearing-abled world “fixes” the problem intermittently all the time by altering our behavior to accommodate.
What insisting that it is not a disability does is willfully deny that there is anything undesirable about being deaf, while simultaneously expecting the rest of the world to make accommodations for said person.
I am trying. The point of the Deaf is that they don’t need hearing. Kind of like how I don’t need to be over five foot two to function, but I may need a stepstool to get to the top shelf.
I* am* trying, but some will be hellbent on disagreeing with me just to be ‘right’. What am I supposed to say, exactly? The best I can do is ask for others to be open in light of what I’ve pointed out, to not try to project their wants and needs unto a population with different wants and needs, and hey, if you are really interested, go find out. Read a book, ask Deaf people, whatever.
It won’t kill the hearing world if deaf define themselves differently. It will kill the deaf world if you try to ‘fix’ the Deaf via cochlear implants (without support), restricting ASL, focusing on speechreading, etc. That approach does make deaf people disabled.
Not everyone has always lived in your hearing world.
Donno about you, but I’d rather be deaf than stupid.
Hm…part-time deaf people…so what about people who use hearing aids that allow them to ‘hear’ at certain decibels? Are they part-time disabled?
But they did need the invention of sign language, braille, closed captioning for television and movies, interpreters when they venture outside their own community, special devices for their telephones, etc.
Sigh When you look at a Deaf person and think, “Damn. Glad I don’t have that undesirable trait!” you’re going to come off as a jerk. Or how about, “This is my friend Jack. He’s deaf.” Maybe, “Yeah, he’s pretty smart for a deaf guy!”
But if you look at a Deaf person and think, “Damn. If I were deaf tomorrow, I couldn’t function very well,” that is perfectly reasonable.
This is the difference in viewing deaf as ‘different than I am’ as opposed to ‘disabled/lesser than/inadequate’.
Or listen to music, the spoken art form (poetry readings, rap, anything without closed captioning, etc.) hear police sirens, car horns or other warnings of potential danger, communicate without direct line of sight, etc.
What’s the situation for deaf pilots?
Hearing provides data about the world.
There’s fish that can sense electrical fields. Completely natural to them. Humans never had this sense, our distance fishy ancestors did, but it evolved into something else.
Compared to electric field sensing fish I’m disabled, and jealous. Having that sense could open up so many things to perceive about the world to me. Alas, I and the rest of humanity lack it. If there was technology to give it to me. I’d take in a heart beat. If there was technology so my potential future kids could have it, but not me. I wouldn’t hesitate. They could know my spoken\visual world, but they’d have a world of things I wouldn’t even know how to imagine to learn, grow from, and appreciate.
WOAH! Sign language is naturally occurring among the deaf just as much as speaking is to us. In a message board full of lingophiles, I hope you understand that the basic functions of signed languages are the same as spoken ones. Signed languages have accents, slang, tone, and they change over time.
Wrong group.
Having a TV is hardly a requirement for life, eh?
That’s the norm thing I was talking about.
Things that were invented by deaf for deaf…yeah. I never said anything about not having disadvantages. Different idea…just like people who are typical tend to view medical disabilities as ‘degrees of disability/impairment’, so do people with said disability.
Please note my point: You can have a disability without being disabled - it doesn’t have to disable you.
It’s not petty semantics. It is just a less ignorant way of looking at things. 