Not to mention that if they did have a hearing child, that poor child would be fucked up because hearing infants need the act of hearing and responding to babbling and speech to learn to speak. Not getting that stimulation will negatively affect their development.
So now who would be disabled? A kid growing up unable to respond properly to spoken word and with permanent educational issues because of that? How can that not be abusive? And these deluded women had a fair chance of popping out a hearing kid into a deaf world. :rolleyes:
The problem with that cute little example is this - chinese is written with the strokes in a particular order, english is not. Sign language involves seeing how a moving hand sketches the sign. Deaf kids are preconditioned to LOOK for the movement of the ‘word’ and hearing kids are not. Of course the deaf kids are going to do better.
Wow, people worrying about deaf kids’ children when hearing parents are allowed to decide if they should use sign language without any invasive surgery which still involve heavy auditory verbal therpy as a follow up and doesn’t guarantee success? Plus multiple surgeries in their lifetime because implants do fail over time if you are one of the many unlucky ones.
We feel fine and healthy. I don’t see myself disabled. Sorry. Go ahead and tell a child “I wish you are hearing” and convince its a disability. Many people tried that on me, wishing I was hearing to be a better person. In result, I became severely depressed and unimportant as a child. Please stop.
And why are you worrying deaf children with deaf parents. We know what it is like to be deaf. We are adults so don’t tell us we don’t know any better than a hearing parents (in fact, I think its the hearing parents who should never have deaf kids because treatments deaf recieved from hearing people throughout the history for the sake of speech and/or hearing) we do provide them a language but nothing you really like but we also provide english and studies show deaf of deaf have better grasp of language and literacy (but I am from a hearing family with a few deaf deaf family like my sis)
I promise you hearing parents are more likely to have deaf kids so don’t worry about us. And let nature take its course and evolve instead of you stepping in and interfer as long as the child is not being abused (and ignored which happen more often with hearing parents because they wont take the time to communicate in sign language)
Theres many researches about deaf as a visual learner. And it explain why they are not always good at English as English is a linear auditory language.
I’m sorry people did that to you. I’m sure that would be very depressing. Nobody here is suggesting that there should be a campaign to tell deaf people they’re disabled.
I’m pretty sure parents (hearing or deaf) usually don’t choose to have deaf kids. And I also think that in explaining why hearing parents struggle to raise deaf children, you’re demonstrating it’s a disability.
That’s not how humanity got to this point, and if we’d had done this throughout recent history, it probably would not have worked to the benefit of deaf people. That’s not to say that hearing people have all the answers and know what’s best and the deaf have no idea, but if your view is “let nature take its course and don’t interfere,” I don’t think you’ve thought it through.
To add, cochlear implant rely on technologies and require batteries. Deaf people with hearing aids or cochlear implant get their communication shut off daily (imagine your internet or phone line got cutted off during the storm) and without sign language. Some deaf decide to raise their kids “organic” (and some dont or docochlear both) nothing wrong with that as long as they have a language they can communicate with people outside of their family who share the same language
Oh so you think you can tell us not to have babies and take our deaf kids away (or hearing?)
If not, then let us be.
And we do evolve.
I know hearing parents do not want their child to be deaf. I was talking about the treatment of hearing people like tying their hands so they will speak instead of signing. AGBell goals was always making sure deaf assimilate with hearing (and that they should not breed with other deaf people but It didnt stop hearing people froming having deaf kids…the gene came from deaf people anyway)
Everything evolves and I didn’t say deaf people don’t. Treatments for deafness also evolve, and so do better ways to educate deaf and hearing children.
That’s cruel and stupid. And are you saying this is done to hearing people, or that hearing people do it to deaf children?
Someone wrote he worry about deaf people raising their children as deaf (the organic method)
Oral deaf school do this. And yes some deaf have been punished by their parents for signing. My grandma told me her father would beat her (hearing) and her deaf sisters for signing. Oh yeah speaking and listening is that important. You’ll never see them them punish for listening and reponding (when asked to) .
I think a couple of people objected to the idea of deaf people refusing to have their children treated. (That point of view seems like an oversimplification at this point.)
That’s cruel and stupid. Of course you also made it sound like something that is going on now and not generations ago. I think there is reason to believe people know better now. Deafness is much better understood, and so are a lot of other conditions.
I don’t think that proves your point. It’s about all forms of abuse and doesn’t single out jerks who try to beat their kids into not being deaf, and doesn’t say anything about punishment for signing. That could be included in those percentages, but there’s also this:
I’m sorry about that. I’m sure some morons think they can get away with bullying deaf people, and some may find it frustrating to try to communicate with a deaf person and don’t know how to deal with it. But you were originally talking about deaf people being discouraged from signing.
I was told parent can give permission to tie their kids hand down if they are signing to get them to use their cochlear implant and voice but it seem too unreal for me. But oral school do ban sign language (but deaf school ban voice as they want kids who dont have hearing devices to develop socially and they cant if everyone is talking…kinda like banning english in spanish class)
Aboit your quote, yes, i personally believe its due to those deaf upbringing. Its a cycle. All these negative view does not help deaf people improve mentally
You know how that sort of joke goes where they deliberately misspell words, keeping just the first and last letter intact because the brain will shuffle the letters back to the correct order [essentially how we recognize what words that are misspelled are supposed to be] You can not really do this in a language you are not overly familiar with. If you take a deaf person who is accustomed to getting their information visually, and a nondeaf person who is accustomed to getting a majority of their information aurally, the person who is trained to focus on visual information will pick up the data because they are more trained to focus and not let their visual attention wander. The hearing are the ones that are not practiced at unshuffling the word in the visual sense.
Look at people chatting. The mouths are imparting 90% of the data, much of the time the vision is focused everywhere but the face and mouth. I make people very uncomfortable when I augment my damaged hearing by reading lips. [work as a machinist, target shooting and hunting, and loud music concerts … :smack:] because people are not normally used to people focusing on the face for long periods of time. Take some time next time you are in public and people watch. People look at watches, advertising, the tv screen, other people around the conversation, down at clothing or hands … About the only time you spend most of the convo staring into each others face is either a romantic occasion or an argument - both instances of intense focus. Casually, you watch everywhere else.
There was nothing “cute” about what I said, and you just illustrated my point on why ASL is important.
Yeah, kind if like your ability to comprehend English is related to your neural wiring. :rolleyes: You cannot train your brain to think like a Deaf person. You can learn all the ASL you want, but your brain isn’t going to be wired the same, nor will the same parts of your brain [as a prelingual Deaf] be activated when signing.
Deaf kids who learn ASL later in life have the same ‘brain wiring’ as you. Unfortunately, they are more likely to have poor English skills because some assholes decided to be abusive and restrict them from language.
I think he/she has thought it through as a Deaf person. That’s where you come off as awfully condescending: Oh, I’m hearing, I know things you don’t…
Well, Deaf have a different world. There’s nothing to treat. I’m twenty six and people in my age group suffered the same kinds of things that deaf is talking about.
Cite your crap, cause you are wrong. Hearing children of Deaf have been born and raised just fine since forever. As long as you’re in a bilingual world (where Deaf kids both sign and use English), you’re fine. Myron Ulhberg, the writer, comes to mind. What you are doing is suggesting that kids who are born of Deaf parents have no access to spoken language. That’s wrong, and if Deaf could do it pre-Television, telephone & radio, I’m pretty freaking sure they can do it now.
That mindset you have is the same kind that tried to prohibit Deaf from having children. For shame.