Actually, I’d have to say that no one is for the ethical treatment of animals. We eat them, we breed them to our tastes (in every sense of the word), we use them for tasks, we experiment on them, we domesticate them. And with our expansion as a species, we drive them out of their native habitats, and hasten their extinction. The best thing that we could do for them would be to do each other in and leave them alone.
No, I have no intention of leaving this planet any time soon, and yes, I like a good T-Bone every now and again. I just can’t fault someone speaking out to end what seems like cruelty, whether it truly is or not. They may be assholes, but so are lots of folks. Turning hoses on people with whom you disagree is a slippery slope, especially in this current political climate.
Incidentally, if I read the intent of your response, Thank you for using “beggin the question” correctly. I understand that their will be a march on Washington to end the misuse of this phrase. Bring your raincoat
Well, i know that hating PETA is sort of a badge of honor around here, and i certainly have a problem with many of their tactics, but it seems to me that some things are worth getting in a lather about.
Last July, i started this thread about a PETA video showing workers in a KFC-contracted company’s slaughterhouse committing awful acts of cruelty. The video link in that thread still works; have a look at it, js_africanus, and let me know whether that falls within your definition of “ethical” treatment of animals.
Of course, supporters of KFC argue that they’re not responsible for any poor practices on the part of their suppliers. But KFC itself begs to differ, noting on the Animal Welfare section of its website:
I wonder, given this claim of corporate good citizenship, whether KFC is still doing business with Pilgrim’s Pride, the company in whose factory these abuses occurred.
There will also be a march to raise consciousness about the difference between “there” and “their.”
Okay, I had never seen this previous thread, and it looks like I may have walked onto a battlefield here. It wasn’t my intent in my original reply to address animal rights; it was to comment on an animal rights activist’s right to Freedom of Speech.
I am pro-choice ( :smack: uhoh, another battlefield), but I would be just as concerned about a pro-lifer being hosed down during a non-violent demonstration.
Indeed, as stupid as some of the protestors’ quotes were, this one takes the cake. When the first person dies as a result of a PETA protest, then this comparison will be appropriate–and not until.
This is damn near close to the stupidity of PETA comparing meat-eating to the Holocaust.
I can’t muster sympathy for anyone in this story, truth be told, but I predict that PETA will eventually win in this campaign, just as they won their McDonald’s campaign and Burger King campaign.
Although PETA is associated with the Animal Liberation Front, an organization known for members making death threats aimed at people and companies that they don’t like.
I think activist organizations are like political parties in that you can agree with some of what they do without necessarily buying into the whole package. Sure, a lot of the PETAs are nuts, but I am one Democrat who thinks PETA does have its place.
I don’t believe that the ALF or the ELF are terrorist groups. For one thing, neither group has killed anyone; that seems to be a common element in most terrorist groups that is missing in this case. Plus, their actions don’t seem to instill the kind of widespread terror that, say, crashing an airplane into the WTC does.
Note that these two things don’t necessarily make it right; their actions are illegal, and I think that most people here, including myself, would want them to consider a more constructive way to make clear their grievances. But putting them in the same basket with al-Qaida isn’t justified.
Less so is calling PETA a terrorist group; they’re annoying, sure, but they’re nonviolent, and I don’t see where they have committed any “acts of terrorism”. Spraying them with the sprinklers was in bad taste. Comparing them to al-Qaida is moronic.