Pew Poll: 44 Percent of Liberal Democrats Say Churches Bad for America

I got it from Scott Alexander’s blog. I think online debate would work a lot better if everyone read it, and basically everything else he writes.

Only if one hates America, as Trump does.

Can’t say that was the best article to convince me of that, since he’s doing the same thing with feminism that he’s decrying earlier in his post. He’s pattern matching against people who say they are feminists. He’s repeating the stuff that anti-feminists say over and over about feminists. I for one have rarely encountered any feminists who fit his description–they are the exception, not the rule.

He has indeed noticed something negative that happens, but he didn’t really cover any way of getting around it, and even he himself is not immune to it. If he can’t even handle not contradicting himself in his own post, it doesn’t say a lot about his ideas.

Sorry, that’s a tangent, but I had to say it somewhere. And the comments have long turned into just empty spam magnets.

Do you actually believe this idiotic nonsense? You are posting this in jest, right?

I don’t believe urban has ever been known to jest.

Odd. I’m finding his posts hilarious.

Infowars. [snerk]

Unintended consequences.

May I recommend /r/SlateStarCodex, or the most recent open thread on SSC as a venue for saying it? He might actually read it there. I’ll gladly take you up on it there, or in a separate thread, as this is super off topic for this one. :slight_smile:

You laugh now but lets see in 20 years when Muslims take over.

You all are so blind.

Try finding legitimate cites and we might take you seriously.

If I don’t want those of a christian religious bent to tell me how to live my life, what makes you think that I’m going to accept someone with a muslim religious bent to tell me how to live my life?

Those who want to see christian laws implemented in this country are the ones paving the way for a muslim takeover. One pre-industrial theology is no better than another. If the fundamentalist right got its wish and got theology enshrined into law, it would look no different at all than if Muslims got sharia law implemented.

I respect the right of anyone to worship whoever they want, however they want, as long as it doesn’t interfere with anyone else worshipping or not worshipping who and how they want.

If you are against the “Muslims taking over”, then you should be siding with the secularists, not with the dominionists.

So what you’re saying is, the christians failed to take over, but islam is a religion much more favored by god and will be able to accomplish what christianity tried, and failed to do?

The liberal sentiments that have been draining christianity of its influence will be no more friendly to Islam. They are no more scary than you.

You just got through explaining that we’ve gotten really good at turning away from a religion that we have no use for. So, walk me through this: you think we’ll forget how to do that, over the next 20 years? We did it once, and then vowed to never again use this forbidden technique or mention it to our children?

Muslims currently constitute about 1% of the population of the US. For them to “take over” (which we’ll assume requires, at minimum, that they represent 50.1% of the population) by 2037, each Muslim currently living in America would need to have somewhere around ten children.

Every year.

For 20 years.

That’s not what I’d describe as a rational concern.

You don’t understand how insidious they are. They are going to be pouring over our borders, like in that Trump video. Now, granted that was in North Africa I think, but what is an ocean or two in serious situations like this. And then the godless liberals will make them all citizens over night. And then every single one of them would vote for Sharia law.

They’d have to do this since there would have to be enough of them to amend the Constitution also.

The right is not only more insane than you imagine, they are more insane than you **can ** imagine.

Yeah, I think UR would take Dan Simmons’es Flashback to be a documentary (map created based on passages from the novel.)

I think Elvis has left the building. The OP’s not been around since Sunday.

How do you think this will work? Serious question - how do you see Muslims taking over the US? Forget in 20 years, how about in 50 years? 100 years? And does the fact that that Alex Jones cite was totally bullshit change your priors at all?

I’m trying to imagine why there would even be an issue if the majority of a western democracy was Muslim.

The Muslims I know here in Canada are peaceful, friendly, and well-educated.

It would make zero difference to me if they comprised 50+% of the population.

I might even get more free lamb on Eid al-Adha, like I did a few years back from one of my Muslim buddies.

Muslims taking over? All I saw was a video of a group of Christians acting like assholes.