Picking up the Pieces from the Smoldering Ruins: What do Dems do when we take power again?

To the contrary of what? I have no idea what in my post you are responding to here.

What the Democrats should do right now is to fight things that are civil rights abuses, but do nothing to stop Trump’s economic idiocy. The best way to get rid of him is a clear line between him and a recession.

It’s shitty medicine, but I think it’s the only medicine that will work.

Agreed. Democrats should calculate which Trump policies will hurt red states the most, and get out of the way.

Social Security, SNAP, and Medicaid . . . how’s that not gonna hurt blue states?

It will hurt blue states. It will hurt red states more.

what they should do and what they will do are different.

What will the democrats do if they win the house in 2026? Hold a bunch of hearings, refuse to enforce the rules, refuse to arrest anyone and offer toothless letters of complaint.

God our party sucks.

Even worse, the Democrats are spineless idiots for the most part.

“Play nice, don’t be disruptive or it will look bad” is the main talking point.

Rep. Green had it right at the joint session this week - stand up and call out the Trump lies.

Once Green was removed the plan should have been for a different member to stand up and call out each lie one by one. Make Johnson have the Sergent at Arms remove every Democrat from the chamber one at a time on live television. The speech would have been ground to a halt and it would have only been a short amount of time until DJT lost his shit and told the GOP members to act out with violence towards the Democrats. And there would have been plenty MAGAts in attendance who would have done exactly that.

Sounds like the Taiwan legislature.

Adding on to GOP chaos does not help the Democratic Party brand. I just sent a thank you to my Democratic House member for voting yes on the Green censure.

Lying down and getting walked on is a much worse look. If the Democrats had done what I suggest (one at a time standing and calling out the Orange Baboon) it would have likely resulted in a DJT meltdown. Any violence started by MAGAs would have hurt them much more.

The Taiwan legislature comparison is seriously off the mark.

Treating GOP chaos like it’s just another day in the office is DESTROYING the Democratic Party brand. Voters want their representatives to do more than talk about the price of eggs and hold up auction placards with slogans on them.

Who would that be? I want to donate $50 to any real progressive who will run against them in next year’s primary.

In the minds of people who will vote for the Democrats anyway, yes. Everyone I know who thinks both Democrats and Republicans are childish votes for the Republicans (or does not vote, or votes libertarian). Those who think the Democrats aren’t aggressive enough vote for them anyway.

Trump is deliberately risking harm to the U.S. economy in hopes the Mexican, and, especially, Canadian, economies collapse. The economic damage of monthly tariff dramas will take time to sink in, since it will not be as extreme for us as for our Mexican and Canadian friends. And if the House Democrats were to descend to the MAGA level, it would never sink in.

Primarying the House Democrats who voted to censure Rep. Green, as you seem to suggest, will, if successful, result in those seats mostly going to the GOP.

You haven’t been the good guys since you built your little torture camp in Guantanamo.
(More than 20 years ago,)

Oh, longer than that. The US has been training and encouraging its allies/puppets to torture for decades when it wasn’t doing it themselves. Not to mention encouraging rape as a means of political control. And of course it was founded with slavery and genocide. It’s never been the “good guy”.

It’s just that between Nazi Germany and the USSR for many decades it was easy to spin that way - especially at home - given how horrifying its opponents were.

I don’t think the current shift is from “good guys” to “bad guys,” though it seems that those are the only two positions the average American understands.

The shift is from “large, powerful, self-interested nation that recognizes that strong alliances are in its best interest” to “large, powerful, solipsistic nation flirting with fascist autocracy.”

Also, from “relatively sane and consistent” to “dangerously irrational and unpredictable”.

The sanity of bombing the ever-loving shit out of Vietnam (and, in secret and unsanctioned warfare, Laos and Cambodia) or invading Iraq on a fabricated pretext is pretty questionable. However, both the anti-Communist and the neoconservative contingents responsible for those wars sought their own parochial views of a “rules-based order” that limited warfare to prevent another destructive global war. As malicious as bombing farmers with no capacity to make war or defend themselves, or creating ‘black’ prisons where US intelligence personnel engaged in “enhanced interrogation techniques” that we would consider to be torture if done by anyone else are, this regime seeks a different goal; specifically, to tear down that order and refuse to honor any prior assurances for international security, undermine basic diplomacy, and now apparently to disestablish the entire notion of Westphalian sovereignty that has been the basis for international law and relations since the end of the European wars of religion, and perhaps even a return to a techno-medievalism where the wealthy and powerful essentially control their own fiefdoms as realms of personal sovereignty but in an era where nuclear weapons and long range missile and airstrikes exist.

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