Well ok, I can see what you mean now Excalibre. I sort of agree with your stance, in that I think it’s a piffling thing to get riled up about, and there are much bigger things she could be using her spotlight time to draw attention to. I think that it served a dual pupose myself, but that the one he’d admit to was that it was a soothing color. You have to remember how fresh the school of thought was, and how a devious coach might be tempted to use such a “double edged sword”.
/hijack
Is this:
statment made by an anonymous person in the blog even remotely true? :eek:
twin infinitive and beagledave, I’m not saying that pink doesn’t have a calming effect, it may very well. I’m saying that I don’t believe Fry for a second when he says that’s why he picked it. If he were interested in calming the other team he could have gone a lot farther. Perhaps musak or ocean noises piped into the locker room. He could have put big comfy furniture everywhere. He could have painted angels on the walls.
It is obviously an insult. (on preview, what Excalibre said.)
BTW twin infinitive, it sounds like someone needs a nap.
What needs to be done now, is find out if it actually works. Establish some measure of pre-vs-post-locker-room-exposure aggression (testosterone levels, or something) and whether the difference, if any, can be attributable to more Iowa wins. (Does Iowa win a lot? I wouldn’t know.) Did the team that covered up the walls win? What is the proper way to construct a double-blind study of the alleged biopsychological phenomenon? :dubious: KRM, I like the angels idea. How about some aromatherapy while we’re at it? Lavender is soothing. You could spritz the home team locker room with citrus or peppermint. Or pure testosterone.
ISTM the gist of the objection to the (somewhat sophomoric, IMO) locker-room ethos of insulting an opponent by sending the message “You are a contemptible and unworthy adversary because you’re like a gur-rul”, is because that attitude has been associated, not with a reasonable expectation of what the average woman may or may not be capable of on a ball field, but with a general contempt for the unworthiness of all women because their capabilities are not commensurate with men’s in certain areas of value to some men. I think that ethos is worth objecting to, but there may be more important and effective arenas for it (eg; Post #37, if true).
Stop. Making. Sense.
BTW, can anyone tell me where we can find a sizeable collection of misogynists and homophobes?
Another sidenote: Isn’t red the most aggressive of colors? (and please, no political joking remarks, that’s not what I’m looking for)…and if so (and pink is passive), does it follow that white might be the most passive of all colors?
I only ask this because I totally avoided psychology in college and know jack about it.
Your argument against Fry’s reasoning (and I supplied the cites for the kind of thinking that “could” have influenced Fry) is that he COULD have done more…so therefore it’s not true?
Well he COULD have painted signs on the walls saying “you’re all a bunch of girly-men”, and he COULD have referred to his opponents as “pussies” in his press conferences. And he COULD have piped in “California Girls” or some equally appropriate music to the locker room. And he COULD have left baskets of potpourri and makeup (substitute other stereotypical female “supplies”) in the locker room. So the fact that he COULD have done more, but didn’t proves (by your logic) that insulting their masculinity was not the motivating factor…right?
:dubious:
From past thread experience I’ll testify there’s a very vocal contingent (at least on this board) who’d be shouting “reverse sexism” if that happened.
But that’s not the point. The insult isn’t “I’m comparing your athletic skills to females, which are somewhat less than males on average.” The insult is “you’re all just a bunch of girls.” Meaning weak, dainty, shameful, helpless, useless, etc.
What, you never picked up on how sports assholes sling “lady” and “girl” as plain old nasty epithets? And all of them, including that coach, can go fuck themselves as far as I’m concerned. Unless they’re funny. But in this case I think we’re talking about your average thick-skulled knuckle-dragger.
If you choose to believe that a boy raised in west Texas, former marine and football coach for umpteen years painted the walls pink for its “calming effect”, that’s fine. Don’t be surprised that others believe it was just an obvious insult.
So I take it you don’t apply the standards of logic (He COULD have done more gosh darnit!!) to “your” theory?
I’m not surprised that others believe in a hollow earth either…of course those folks are pretty easy to dismiss when they lack an ability to support their position with any credibility…
My daughter (a civil engineer) was working a job site where everyone who went on site was required to wear a hardhat, even truck drivers making deliveries, whether they stayed in the cab or not. They lost several dozen hardhats each month because the drivers would borrow one to enter the site, and neglect to return it.
They switched the hardhat color to something that she called “pussy pink”, cutting losses by over 75%. Apparently none of the Teamsters was interested in a pink hard hat. She didn’t have any information about whether it made them less aggressive though.
LOL…you’re rich!! Me thinks one needs to learn what hyperbole is…
I guess you’re trying to be literal and stuff, huh?
Does calling someone a football team “pussies” “fill them with fear”?
Does it “coerce or inhibit” them? You’re saying that a pink locker room insulted them by making them feel all girlie inside, and therefore filled them with FEAR?
Which is it…was Hayden insulting them or intimidating them?
Zabali --I cannot speak personally to doctors and loved ones being unable to access the parts of the hospital, but I (since I went to Iowa and did the nursing program there) do know that home game weekends DO create gridlock in the parking areas and pedesterian areas around the stadium (which is a stone’s throw from the hospital).
It’s not just the drunks–it’s the vomit slicks and the litter that sort of detract from one’s visit to the hospital grounds…
THAT IMO, is something that should have national attention in the hopes of bringing change, and it is worthy of griping about. The color of a particular locker room? Not so much.
No trust me, that’s…not his main argument. The thrust of which probably eludes you since it requires prior experience with humans to grasp. His argument goes something like this: everybody knows what the guy’s doing.
So, while it’s frustrating to explain the complexities of human behavior to androids I’ll have another stab at it. Fry was making a sexist crack with the pink paint and his later “rationale” - appealing to the supposed calming effects of the color - was just another joke. He was grinning (internally) when he said it. Anybody would have been.
I’m beginning to think the guy actually is pretty funny.
