As to “stupid” you haven’t come up with a single rational response, all you’ve done is indicate your opinion of me (wanna know another thing I don’t give a flying fuck about?)
As to “never going to happen” I know that. I haven’t made a suggestion. I have simply stated what I don’t care about and what could consequently happen for all I care.
The great disjunct in these threads is one of values: that the pro-pitbull crowd seem to place great value on freedom to have particular dog breeds and feel that the value of this trumps other considerations. I don’t think that the pro-pitbull crowd appreciate just how little this matters to others.
I know, right? It’s similar to those people who insist on owning killer televisions. It doesn’t matter to me that they want the freedom to watch Love Boat re-runs. They kill a couple dozen people each year, and that’s unacceptable.
I mean, won’t somebody think of the children?
I have two pit bulls. One is a name brand dangerzone red nose that I fear would kill anybody that broke into my house. This dog cannot be bought with a hamburger. PERIOD. I fear that when she was younger someone tried to poison her. So now she only eats if it came from me, and she witnesses the dispensing of said food. I have another lowrider blue nose pit bull that was rescued the day before she was put down. I feel that she would unlock my doors for someone breaking in, however she would definitely match the aggressiveness of my red nose should the SHTF, however she does not have a bad bone in her body and shows no aggression towards people on her own. My red nose is a angel with people unless your new, and the blue nose wants to love everybody. The blue nose low rider is a convicted murderer though as while playing with my best friends cat, killed it accidentally with a arm swat. My red nose came to the rescue with a “put you back in line attack” and then tried to revive flattened kitty and then took it in her mouth to cats owner. Both of my dogs are getting old but will not allow anybody to speak aggressively or act that way in my presence. If my dogs were parachuted into a children’s day care I wouldn’t even worry, except that when i got there people would not want them to leave. HOWEVER, I would shit bricks if I found out that they were around cats even in a supervised situation. I have had much worse encounter with a cocker spaniel when i was 3-4 in where it removed my cheek and corner of my forehead in a attack for touching it while it was feeding. My mom told me that i almost died, and still to this day have scars on my face from this attack. It had its way with me for a few minutes before help came. I know I have over 140 stitches from this and they still show. I trust pit bulls a lot more since i know how they think but you need to be careful around any animal period. My neighbor’s american bull dog ( not the short wrinkly ones, but the pit bull looking type) has bit his owner, his wife and put his teenage daughter in the hospital SEVERAL times (it ripped her knee cap off completely) before the county ordered it to be put down. He put it down himself in the backyard. This dog looked more like a pit bull to me than my pit bull, and that coming from a owner of 2 pits for over 12 years. Bottom line, I love all dogs, but since i am never without carry, i wouldn’t hesitate to put any dog down attacking me. I live in South FL, and we see pit bull attacks on the news all the time, and then they show the “PIT” and its a Labrador, or chow.
Please post more about killer televisions. Feel free to expand on their effect on neighbours, and the lack of mutuality between me and my neighbours about our respective television ownership. The more you do the sillier you sound, so you go right ahead.
We ate thems that was. We have lived with dogs for many thousands of years. To an extent we evolved along with them. The more aggressive and less-people-friendly ones were dinner. We selected for “I wub you!” Sure, they may still bring to the table some unattractive traits, but we are, or should be, the Alphas of the pack and a swift dope-slap (back of the skull or to the hind-quarters, like their moms would do) should fix them.
SORRY, I forgot to add the entire reason for my post. When I rescued my second pit (MAYBE) yes that’s her name, she was next to another pit bull that literally scared the shit out of me. This other dog was scheduled to be put down around the same times as the one I rescued. I know it sounds funny being a dog lover and all, but knowing that this other dog was going to be put down I felt “good riddance” This dog was pure evil, barking insanely violently, biting the screen like a rabid animal that knew if it could break it, that it could get to me to F me up. It honestly looked like one of those dogs on the first resident evil movies. I saw in its eyes how evil it was. Bottom line is that you never know so you need to treat each encounter with a dog as it’s first. With a breed like this, you also as a owner, never put the dog or allow the dog access to a situation where something could go bad. I have a fenced in yard but my dogs have never spent a moment unsupervised EVER. You gotta be responsible, and aware at all times with any dog.
Bite inhibition mostly. All dogs are born somewhere on the range from “will bite on a whim” to “won’t bite while you saw his leg off”. Just as some people are extremely passive, so are dogs.
Well, other than that might have been a good idea, how about if we “only” round up and kill those kids that fit the profile of ones that grew up to be serial killers?
It’s important to those people who own and love those dogs.
Where did I say you were being hypocritical?
This is what dog lovers have been doing, and that is what they thought before it started happening.
Never? Really? In China you can only have one kid (unless you are rich). In some places, there are so many restrictions and fees on having a car, only the rich have them. Do you really think there are any rights that cannot be taken away by a majority of fools?
Ah. I didn’t look at that one, but if it’s the one I think it is those dogs do look a lot alike as well.
I am telling you that you have no right to decide what someone else values, based on something that sort of kind of might happen at some time in the future if all the stars are aligned correctly.
If you really value human life, as opposed to valuing only your life and that of your family, you should understand that quality of life depending on being able to live it as you want, within reason. Your desire to bubblewrap your life doesn’t usurp someone elses right to own a pet Boxer.
I don’t know your poor dog, who it sounds like needs some Tough Love ;), but as an aside I have found that nothing pisses off a K9 cop more than if you talk baby talk to his dog. “Ooh, aren’t you just the SCARIEST thing? Does Mr Ferocious want a widdle kiss?” But they haven’t been abused like yours.
Interesting who’s supplying the cites in this thread, isn’t it?
For the record, before I got my dog I would have been squarely in the “restrict those damn pit bulls” camp. Then I got my dog and learned about dogs. Ignorance fought.
If you want anecdotes to go along with the data: my dog plays with pits, rotties, and boxers; frankly, they’re the ones who like to party. He’s been known to rassle them to the ground as well with no ill effects; the dogs know how to play. Anyone who spends a couple of hours with well-socialized pit bulls will drop their crusade. It’s not the breed, folks.
And, again, the second story linked in the OP looks VERY fishy to me. Of all the “pit bull attacks” stories I’ve heard, this one would be by far the most atypical. If I were the authorities in that community, I wouldn’t close the book on this one just yet.
This. And well-socialized dogs love to “party.” Had a Cocker (a freakin’ Cocker Spaniel!) who would go up to strange dogs and say (in Doggish), “Do you like to fight? I LOVE to fight!” And they’d set to, usually without bloodshed. The one time there was, Wife insisted I take her to the vet. Seventy-five dollars later I had a dog with a clean bill of health except for a bleeding eyelid and she had shown off to every dog at the office how much fun she’d had.
Dogs play rough. Not as rough as cats and rabbits, though. Had a pair that would pretend to eviscerate each other for fun. Cat had retractable claws, but the rabbit was just careful.
LD you said nothing about the whole of my second sentence. I’m not here to debate with the disingenous.
Curlcoat, we can debate it all day but we aren’t going to get anywhere. You are going to say your right to own the dog you like is important and I’m going to say it is less important than my right not to have risk from your dog. I understand about competing values and freedoms. However, no freedom is absolute. Every society has laws that impinge on freedoms even if they trample on certain people’s values and I’m sure you agree with most of them nonetheless. The question is one of balance.
What irritates me about the pro-pitbull side of this debate is their apparent blythe assumption that freedom to own particular dog breeds is and should be agreed by everyone to be highly valuable. You are of course free to argue for this position, but it is irritating the way your side of the debate seems to think this proposition is self-evident.
Oh, and you implied I was being hypocritical when you suggested that while I was prepared to sacrifice what you valued, I wouldn’t be prepared to sacrifice something comparable that I valued.
I’m not being disingenuous, you idiot, I’m pointing out that you’ve crafted an idiotic and over-the-top solution to a non-existent problem. Two dozen deaths a year are what we’re talking about, and you’re all “OMG, KIll all them DAWGS!!!7!!”
Tell that my friend who used to hang out and literally lived at one of her friend’s house who had a tiny little “cute” lap dog (I don’t remember what kind…). My friend always had the dog on her lap whenever she was there and were basically a family member. One day the dog decided to jump up from her lap and bite her nose: 32 stitches completely around her nose and she was a mess. She was a pretty girl and a good person. We were in our twenties and she was never the same after that and changed, hanging out with weirdos etc then drifted away. None of us know where is anymore.
I grew up with a gigantic German shepherd and 3 Dalmatian pointers (my dad was into hunting). They were my gang and I often slept with them all tangled up. I always had minimum one dog in my childhood. I’m familiar with dogs and dogs generally sense that from me. However whether a dog is liable to attack a person is completely another subject.
So I take it you struggled to come up with something to say about my second sentence. And you didn’t want to admit that. So you said you had already done so.
And this is where you kill the dog. Quickly, graphically, and with reminders to the others, if they haven’t figured out already (though they have), that This Is What Happens When You Bite Mommy.
We, and dogs, are pack animals and some effort must be put into maintaining pack discipline. You are the Alpha. You decide who is okay and who isn’t. They don’t have any say in the matter because they are that low in the hierarchy. I suspect this wasn’t the first time your friend was challenged but she wrote it off as some cute behavior by a cute, little dog. Challenges must be answered with, what’s the term?, extreme prejudice. Usually, wrestling the little bastard to the ground by the skin of its neck will remind it that its role is as a helper for the pack and, if it gets uppity, Mommy can legally kill it.
Um, we’ve loosened up some of the rules regarding our progeny. And tightened the ones about strangling the little bastards.
Yes - back in the original fighting days, pit bulls who were aggressive towards humans were culled (killed) and not bred, ideally. The original pit bull was supposed to be docile towards people and highly aggressive towards other animals, because it had to be handled in and around the pit.
Also (as a 27-year owner of Rottweilers), they were all-purpose farm dogs, and nothing in the standard by any country indicates that aggression is desireable - it’s not.
That said - I do think that people who own any breed of dog with a higher propensity for territorial or any otbher type of aggression ought to be hyper-vigilant that their dogs are responsible citizens, and responsibly owned and raised. Unfortunately, the type of person who is most often attracted to dogs like this are precisely the type of person who shouldn’t own a house plant, let alone a dog.
In other words - there are responsible owners, who carefully choose, then socialize, train and work their dogs so they are absolutely stellar canine citizens. Then there is the majority of “bad boy breed” owners, who do not choose wisely, do not know much about owning, training, socializing or understanding the dog they own; and unfortunately this is the VAST majority of “bad boy breed” owners.
