I’ve always respected your obvious intellect. Truly.
Now – this being the Pit – would you deign to use that intellect to suggest what could be done, rather than go on ad nauseum about why “it isn’t working ?”
If you think that gun violence is a problem in this country, can you point me to post(s) where you suggested possible solutions, and – since you clearly believe that messaging is everything – how current staunch gun rights advocates might be swayed ?
More constructive, less destructive. You’re playing the classic role of a satirist. Pick up a shovel and dig, man. Kids are dying every week because of this shit.
Well for me there’s a simple test to see if the Democrats have improved intellectually at all:
Will they talk about an assault weapons ban or similar. This is a known political loser, and it looks like this shooting may not have even involved an assault weapon but handguns (we’ll see as reporting comes in.)
Will they do something smart, like point out that Governor Abbott recently made it legal for basically any adult in Texas to carry handguns without a license, and raise the question “if a mentally disturbed 18 year old boy can legally carry a gun around, is that not a sign that the Governor’s reform of longstanding Texas gun law was a very bad idea?” There’s a lot of ways to attack Republicans on this, many of them stupid.
FWIW I don’t think my ideas are magical, there’s a lot of entrenched thinking on this, I just know the “playbook” of linking to EveryTown for Gun Safety and their version of a resurrected AWB is almost assumed now, and certainly worthless.
Your fear and racism helps get people, including children, killed. Once again: you’re a fucking piece of shit and you have a little more blood on your hands, just like yesterday and like you will every day until you stop being such a fucking piece of shit.
I have a 7- (almost 8- ) year-old daughter. Mass shootings at elementary schools affect me because for the most part I can protect her from dangers in her life. I drive safely, she doesn’t run off on her own, I keep track of where she is. But when she’s at school, if some creep with a gun is ticked off at a teacher and decides to off the teacher, the teacher’s class, then himself, I can’t defend against that. That’s not something anyone should have to worry about, and it sucks that I do.
Generally, other kinds of gun violence aren’t likely to affect my daughter. So, the 13,000 other gun homicides aren’t as relevant. This isn’t a “fantastical” thing, it’s pragmatic and based on realism.
The premise that people are being hypocritical about focusing on these kinds of shootings is ignorant.
The current black mayor of New York city supports bringing back stop and frisk–which is really just a form of the constitutionally allowable “Terry stop.” He’s also a former cop and probably knows more about both sides of the issue than a white non-cop like myself. I largely agree with him that you can bring it back but do things to correct the racially disparate way it used to be implemented.
I think that there was a lot to learn about NYC’s approach to guns, they had a two fold system that IMO had a lot to do with lowering gun crime:
NYC had a law that could be implemented in any State, and should–a law that had nothing to do with legal gun ownership. This law made it a felony for anyone in city limits to be found carrying a gun they were not legally allowed to possess. In most places this offense is a misdemeanor often not carrying a custodial sentence. In New York it was an automatic felony, for many years it would never be plead to anything lower, and it almost always carried a carceral sentence, often in the 2-3 year range.
Stop and frisk creates an environment where anyone carrying an illegal gun has basically a permanent fear that they could be busted on a felony, multiple year in prison charge, one that prosecutors almost never play ball on whatsoever.
I’ve always been surprised that at least #1 hasn’t been pushed in many other States–it wouldn’t be that easy for even Republicans to fight against, because it doesn’t target legal carry of guns. Opposing it, could be said to be, “soft on crime.”
Your fear is your need to have your guns no matter the harm you cause the world. Your this little coward who needs the security of your guns. I’ve been in three wars and never carried a gun you fucking pussy.
Your racism is your softon crime stop and frisk bulkshit.
ETA: Wait, isn’t @Paul_was_in_Saudi the guy who has the creepy running “Mass Shootings in the US” thread in which he refers to himself in the third person as “The Commissioner”?
Holy shit. That is fucking weird! This is the guy (I forgot that he’s that guy) that keeps tabs on mass shootings but drops this turd:
How the fuck is mass shootings NOT in his area of special interest when he posts about them ALL THE TIME? And he comes in to dispute that stat and plays coy that he doesn’t know it is wrong? Super creepy.
He’s just asking a question. What could be wrong with that? Don’t you support free speech? Are you one of those liberals who thinks that conservative speech should be banned? When did you stop beating your wife?
Except for guns, he’s a smart fellow and I respect his views. I’m certainly glad he’s seen the light about the current state of his former party. He is right about one thing- ain’t nothing gonna be done ever about guns. When a vocal minority makes it the only issue they base their vote on, politicians are all to eager to scoop up those free votes and the hundreds of kids killed each year is the price they’re all willing to take for power and the graft which comes with it.
I think the only things that will change the gun culture would be minorities arming themselves in record numbers and rural whites getting gunned down in proportion to their urban counterparts. As long as the victims are largely urban and/or minorities, the gun lovers honestly aren’t going to care.
You know, it is possible to be a gun owner—even a (pejorative) gun lover—and still recognize that there is a serious problem that needs to be addressed with more than “thoughts and prayers”. The problem is that gun lovers have been co-oped by a propaganda machine that has equated any form of controls or government oversight as a politically-oriented attack on basic freedoms and has incidentally allowed itself to be infiltrated by unfriendly foreign agents.
As I understand it, most gun owners are in favor of background checks and most NRA members are as well. Yet the NRA got itself hijacked by the most radical of its lot. The slippery slope fallacy has got to go.
…“stop and frisk” was, and will be, an open display of fascism. The only way to “correct the racially disparate way it used to be implemented” would be to get rid of all the racist and fascist cops: and that is a thing that isn’t going to happen.
And it doesn’t matter that it’s happening under the watch of a Black Mayor. That you “largely agree with him” says everything that we need to know about you.
