But you have a problem hitting to their weaknesses? Ridiculous. Should people only play as they “normally do”, always? You may as well do away with the game entirely and replace it with statistical analysis and coin flips. If nothing else, it’ll save time.
Wow. Calling me a liar without any evidence? Very honorable.
I’m not going to put words in anyone’s mouth here, but:
Hilarity N. Suze said his/her kid played at that level and also said “I think it’s okay. I’m more down on the parents.”
Stinkpalm said he/she played little league and thought the coach made the right move.
Lissa, who said her husband used to be a coach, said he told her that a team in his league played a whole tournament walking the boys and pitching to the girls, because that was the letter of the rules.
The last link alone disproves you. Would you like to be “honorable” and retract your ridiculous statement and accusation now, or shall I continue? Remember, you said (bolding mine) intentional walks are not used “by any other little league team there or anywhere else.” Your call.
This is why I don’t feel particularly uncomfortable calling you a liar. You seem to constantly misrepresent other people. For example, the first two posts you cite say nothing about ever seeing intentional walks happen. Lissa’s anecdote that you cite ends like this: “The girls felt really dejected on his team and there was a lot of parental frustration. The umpires were even upset. So much so, that they changed the rules next year. If a boy walked, intentionally or not, the next batter automatically walked (actually they had the option of walking or hitting).”
I’m not at all concerned about an opinion about what is honorable or not from someone like yourself.
Were intentional walks used in Lissa’s husband’s league?
Come on, do the honorable thing, nacho-boy.
Just what I was going to say.
I don’t even understand half the terms in the article, but I’m one of those people who would rather get firepeople who can get me out of a burning building than firewomen who can’t - but who got to pass the admissions tests with lower requirements.
This kid should be treated the same as any other kid in his team.
Walter Windchill: “Intentional Walks are allowed in Little League. The pitcher doesn’t actually throw a ball, but the catcher informs the umpire that they want to walk the batter and the batter takes first. Given that a special rule is written, it obviously happens (and for kids the same age as the ones in the game described above).”
Stratocaster: “I’m not questioning that they’re permitted. In fact, that seems to be a given.”
Boyo Jim: “The coaches stayed within the rules of the game, one team lost and another won, and so what if it’s “uncommon” to intentionally walk a better, it’s not unheard of.”
Hentor, **Garfield226 ** was obviously not lying. Can’t you admit you were wrong on this point and just be “honorable” and apologize for the Liar part?
Jim
And those limitations are discovered - where, exactly?
My answer to that question would be “in the rules.”
And since the rules in the championship game specifically allowed this, it seems to me the message from the league is: in the championship game, we’re going to play more competitively than we do during the regular season.
Considering that both teams knew, in advance of the game, that such a strategy would be permissible… yes, it’s perfectly honorable, and yes, I would do it.
Frankly, I don’t think it’s honorable or sportsmanlike to claim a monopoly on honor and sportsmanship.
Nor do I find it very good hearted to claim that those with a different opinion on a minor issue simply have no heart.
I hate coming into a 200+ post late, but in the “everyone gets to hit” leagues I’ve seen, it means that regardless of the 9 in the field, the entire bench is in the batting lineup. Of course, not being in Bountiful, I don’t know their exact rules.
Thanks for the clarification. I think this shows that rules vary around the country.
Jim
I have no idea if Garfield226 ever personally saw an intentional walk in little league or not, and nor do you. However, he has demonstrated a particular slimy and misleading posting style. I would not at all be surprised if he were to make up a story about seeing intentional walks when he played. And his report remains an anomaly.
Here’s what people who have actually been involved in youth baseball say:
My experiences mirror these. Despite his attempt to make it appear that others have said anything to the contrary, nobody here apart from him has said that they actually have seen intentional walks in little league baseball.
You have no idea if I saw an intentional walk? You sure had an idea up there in your post where you “would not be surprised if I fabricated my report.” I suppose you think Lissa’s husband is lying as well (or that she is)?
I had no idea stubbornness was such an honorable trait.
Well, that’s because you’re slimy. 
Hentor obviously can’t support his position with facts, so he’ll use other means to get his point across. I guess that makes you the cancer boy in this argument.
I don’t have cancer that I know of, but I sure was a sucky hitter and struck out quite a few times all on my own, whether they intentionally walked someone to put me at the plate or not.
Wish I would have had Hentor the almighty to pwotect my widdle fewwings…snif snif 
:rolleyes:
Hentor, I’m coming back in because you’ve got me pretty confused at this point. Your set of dishonorable things to do in a kids’ officially non-competitive (i.e. doesn’t required try-outs to join) team now seems to have expanded to the point of including taking advantage of any known weakness on the opposing team.
I don’t think the kids want that, and I think if you as coach (which you aren’t, but let’s assume for the moment that you were) advocate it for children of any age who are capable of grasping the difference between your rules and the “real” rules of baseball, they’re simply going to write you off as a well-meaning idiot, like so many other adults in their lives. They’re not going to take any profound lesson on the meaning of life or how to treat others or that some things are more important than winning from it. Kids at that age couldn’t care less, and putting them in a position where they could lose because of some special rule enforced to make it non-competitive is just going to make them bitterly resent the kids whom the rule protected. Speaking as a former member of one of those kids (i.e. the last one to be chosen for teams in gym class), I can tell you that the less able kids don’t want your special protection. They want to be better at what they’re trying to do, or they want to stop doing it. They don’t want special rules that force everyone to pretend they’re good athletes. That’s worse than the contempt from your peers because you’re bad. That’s seriously humiliating.
The rules currently in place (four runs per inning limit, every player must have an at bat) seem to me good ones; they prevent a complete blow-out, and they protect a kid or a team from an over-zealous or spiteful coach. But beyond that?
The kids are playing to win. Just how much do you believe that needs to be hobbled in order to make it “fun”? And for whom are you making it fun? The kids who are lousy? They know they’ve gotten a special break. That’s not fun; it’s humiliating. Maybe their parents are enjoying it more, but the kids themselves? I seriously doubt it. This sounds like a greater exercise in making parents feel warm and fuzzy than it sounds like it’s doing anything to actually help the kids.
So that’s problem #1. Problem #2 is that I really think as a psychologist, you need to have a look at your attitude toward men and women. Your worst insults are purely feminine terms; your constant exhortation is to be “a man” or “manly.” I don’t think you’re a sexist at the conscious level, but maybe you’d better start looking at your underlying beliefs, because if this thread had been the only place I’d ever seen you, I would have written you off as the worst kind of sexist asshole.
Lissa described an experience her husband had that a) she distinguished from “little league” and b) was so abhorrent to all involved that the rules were changed immediately thereafter.
If she comes back to say that her husband has seen intentional walks in little league, and particularly at the level of 9 and 10 year olds, that will be different. She never said that he has seen that.
Please reread your own post. Do you see how it discredits you as a poster.
**Garfield226 ** provided enough posts to show that others have seen intentional walks and you continue only to attack him.
Its funny, I am no friend of Garfield’s, I strongly disliked when he was haranguing Tuba, I have liked many of your other posts, but you seem to have become irrational over this thread. I tried to give this advise to **Lissener ** once, learn to apologize every once in a while. You do not have to be 100% wrong to apologize, just mostly wrong.
Jim
You are free to do that. However, you can’t pretend that the fact that “cunt” is hierarchically at the top of the heap in terms of bad words is my doing. “Prick” “dickhead” and “asshole” seem to be regarded as generally worse than “bitch.” Don’t forget, I’m also homophobic for using the term “cocksucker” or “turd burgular.”
I didn’t make them up, and I didn’t sort them out. I just use them in line with the degree of the offense as seems appropriate.
And I have no problem expecting a man to engage in manly behavior, which I think isn’t all that different from gentlemanly behavior. If those things generally connote different things, than I am wrong to conflate them.
Were I sexist, I would think that I would suggest women shouldn’t play at all. to the contrary, I enjoyed those leagues at least as much as the more competitive leagues I’ve played in. If it makes a difference, here’s an anecdote: on our grad school softball team, usually the least skilled player plays catcher, and that was typically a girl. Generally, nobody threw home on a play at the plate, but on one occasion I fielded a ball in left and saw the catcher holding out her glove. So I threw it to her - it was a beautiful throw and hit her right in the glove on the fly. Unfortunately, because of the way she was holding her glove, it came right out, caromed off her arm, and hit her in the cheek. Others discouraged me from throwing home in the future, but if the player there wanted me to, I’d have no problem giving it a shot.
I agree with you that I’m talking about two different elements of being honorable. One is “don’t do something that is regarded as poor form just so you can win” and the second is “when playing for fun, don’t take unfair advantage just to win.” I don’t think these are altogether incompatible concepts.
Please, if you can point to any one that actually says that someone else saw intentional walks acceptably used in a little league game, I will retract my comment and apologize. Please point to such a quote. They aren’t there, and his method of presenting them to deceive others is exactly my point. He’s presented people’s opinions that they are okay, and a quote from Stratocaster pointing out that the intentional walk in this matter was permitted (obviously it was allowed to happen).