I know, I said it was my theory.
No more child-like and naive than we are, but yes. Unless Hollywood is literally forcing them buy their movies, their marketing magic works overseas just as well as it does here. I resent the fact that Rollerball lines the shelves of video stores in Berlin but I recognize that it does.
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Oops, sorry I missed that part.
LOL! ARgh, I resent the fact that Rollerball lines the shelves anywhere!
Oops, sorry I missed that part.
LOL! ARgh, I resent the fact that Rollerball lines the shelves anywhere!
That aside, your opinion that people try to emulate the “excitement” and so on that they see in movies isn’t necessarily because it’s “white” excitement. See? It’s a bit different.
Remember, there are a whole bunch of GORGEOUS ethnic superstars in our country also. People will try to copy whatever is popular. IMHO, the “whiteness” part of the popular item (whatever it may be) counts for far less than simply what appeals to the masses.
Take Rap for instance. A black cultural thing. One of which, I have NO problems admitting I have almost total ignorance. There are a TON of pretenders, white, latino, all walks of life.
Are all the little white boys (like the two silly goofs I saw at the quick stop blaring some gangsta rap while comfortably ensconsed in their daddy’s 40k SUV) “sell-outs” to the white race? Or are they just kids that want to look and act what they believe is “hot”, happening and cool?
In other words, I don’t believe that what Hollywood has to offer is copied and sought after, by either “us” or “them,” because it’s “white”. Despite how well their movies might sell all over the place. I don’t see a correlation between the “whiteness” and the popularity and imitation.
I’m not saying there isn’t one, I’m just saying that sales records don’t show it.
I think you’re misunderstanding me. I’m not saying that the world loves those movies because whites are in them, I’m saying the world loves whites because they’re in those movies. Everyone copies “white” because it’s Hollywood, not the other way around. This example you give:
just adds to my point. People imitate people in the media.
Wrinkles brow…
Possibly, but I’m trying!
Umm, no sorry, I still disagree. First of all, IMHO, “the world DOESN’T love whites”. At least not the American version. We’re perceived as being arrogant jerks a lot of the time (and a lot of the time deservedly so imho).
I don’t believe that “Hollywood is white” either. Is it predominantly made up of white employees? (actors, producers the like). Yes, but does that mean that it, and it’s products are “white”? In this day and age? I don’t agree.
(take the following with a grain of salt, I could still be misunderstanding your meaning, not your fault, but one of the media in which we communicate here)
The action adventure, sci-fi, horror, love stories and so on aren’t specific to a white culture, the main premise of the stories (aside from slight differences in culture within the stories) would be the same in most modern cultures.
In other words, Japanese astronauts would be JUST as likely to react to save themselves if confronted by the “Alien” as white astronauts and so on. So I really don’t see Hollywood as “white” if that’s how you meant it.
Yes, I agree, but I got the impression based on your statement :
… was based on the media being “white” and that that was somehow a more desireable thing to be. That I don’t agree with. I do agree that people of all walks of life see exciting action and PEOPLE (whether white black or purple) on screen and desire excitement like that, but it’s not exclusive to those lliving “backward, traditional” lives.
I think that human nature is to imitate what it popular. Period. I don’t think the whiteness or not whiteness of the popular item has anything to do with it.
That many of the actors in hollywood are white is a reflection of the population, not that hollywood or we in America consider other races less beautiful or screen-worthy.
Tell you what, Denzel W., Will Smith, Jackie Chan and a bunch of others I’m sure you won’t have too much trouble thinking of, are sure as heck as good looking as any white boy in my book, and I’m sure I’m not the only woman to think so.
Is it okay to rape them? That’d teach 'em a lesson.
By Hollywood being “white” I mean simply that there are white actors on the screen (and on the pages in magazine ads). I don’t mean anything cultural about it. I’m not accusing Hollywood of intentionally pushing a white standard of beauty onto the world, that’s just the way things turned out since Hollywood is American and America is mostly white. I actually place the blame on the childlike and naive international audience that allows foreign tripe to shape their lives so.
Yes, Japanese astronauts might react the same way to the “Alien”, but the world didn’t see Japanese astronauts fight it, they saw American ones (mostly white, but there was one black). The entire world watches white people fall in love; through circumstances much more extrodinary than their own mundanely realized romances.
And I wasn’t calling people’s lives backwards myself, I was just suggesting that people might think of their traditional lives as boring and backwards when they compare it to the exciting lives they see on screen (carried out by whites).
And if the world didn’t love whites, why would this thread even exist? Of course the world loves whites, that’s why they’re altering their apperance to look like whites. That’s why foreigners view marrying white as a goal.
Canvas, if you really look at it our argument was quite condensed and covered a lot of ground. Elf and I have since burried the hatchet (no offense to native americans…this time) and become drinking buddies. We are also the co-founders of “pit argument happy fun time”. Perhaps you’ve heard of it?
Ahh…I’m just kidding. But we were already finished. We’ve falsely accused, presumed and judged already. The world is a happier place once again.
Well now this is what I disagree with. I do NOT think that the international audience is naive or childlike. I believe that they react to the movies the same way we do, with the exceptions of those cultures that believe that our movies illustrate why we’re so evil.
And the world watches black people, and asian people and mixed race people fall in love, fight aliens and ghosts, etc. It’s not the “white” part of the movies that makes movies seemingly more “exciting” than regular life. FTR, I doubt that other cultures view movies in some childlike state of wonder. Their not from “Land Beyond Time” or something you know! Likely they all walked out of Matrix Revolutions going “well that sure wasn’t as good as the first one” or “that SUCKED” (depending upon their taste in movies) just like the rest of us (bye the bye, Keanu is mixed race, part Hawaiian IIRC).
Again, the exciting part of hollywood’s productions isn’t the white people it’s the special effects, the stories themselves and just the plain old enticements of the “glamour” of that sort of entertainment.
Nah, I have to disagree here, that would take a measure of naivete and childlike view that just isn’t present. Again, just because they live somewhere other than America doesn’t mean they’re viewing the “glorious cinema” in an awed “Indian sees fire for the first time” way.
The Japanese for example. They’re really modern world savvy, what with all their gadgets and technology. I don’t think that they think that their lives are “backward”.
This thread exists because the OP is an idiot with an insulting and unthinking viewpoint.
As to “the world loves whites that’s why they alter their appearance to look like whites” I’m sorry but “cite?”. I haven’t seen any evidence of a rush to plastic surgeons by ethnic persons to alter their appearance to that of white people.
As to your third statement, again, I’m sorry. but this is a completely unsupported statement.
Umm, Huh? I wasn’t even paying attention to you elf’s argument. I think you’re thinking of CCL.
CanvasShoes, I think the point that pizzabrat is trying to make is that when coolosity is consistently exhibited by white people (as it is in Hollywood), people tend to associate whiteness with being cool.
Yeah, I got that part of it, I just disagree that coolness is what is being exhibited by white people. And I also disagree with the degree to which he seems to think foreign culture is "awed’ by our supposed “coolness”.
According to what I see a lot of black comics/actors etc express, white people are dorky, not “cool”.
You’re right. Sorry about that Canvas. Sorry for mixing you up with someone with “crazy” in their name too.
I don’t think the aesthetic comes from white people being cool, I think it’s possibly more to do with unattainability, and the associations of darker skin.
Eg: in western society, when having a tan became associated with holiday abroad, it became fashionable. It didn’t use to be.
Still today in many asian societies, having a tan suggests manual outdoor labour. So lower class. Paleness comes to to represent aristocracy, refinement, delicacy, femininity, beauty.
The “youth” factor is also critical: blonde hair and blue eyes, and round eyes, are associated with youth/babyhood.
Then factor in the fact that “westerners” (we’ve had threads on this before) are generally perceived as richer and more employable in white collar positions - this may not be true in America but it’s certainly true elsewhere - so there’s another aspirational motive for a caucasian aesthetic ideal.
It may also be that because caucasians have more disposable income for clothes etc, more models tend to be caucasian (we know this one is true - black models like Naomi Campbell have frequently lamented the lack of black supermodels) therefore again reinforcing the perception of a caucasian aesthetic ideal.
Growing up, I admit that I always thought my white dolls were better than my black dolls. Don’t know why I felt like this, seeing as how I grew up in a very pro-black home.
Well, I actually do know why. My second-grade teacher had a day where everyone could bring their favorite doll
(or toy) to school. This was back during the Cabbage Patch Kid fad. I brought in my black cabbage patch kid, who had diapers and everything. I was proud.
But this changed when another girl said my “baby” was ugly. For some reason I immediately thought it was because the doll was brown. I remember wishing I had brought one of my white dolls that day.
No one told me that white = beautiful. But I subconsciously believed that.
Turns out, all cabbage patch dolls were freakin’ ugly damn things!
Are we still talking about hair?
LOL, that’s what I always thought too.
And monstro The girl I was most jealous of in HS was a darling little black girl. She had an afro, and would wear these two cute little puffs for ponytails.
She was a cheerleader and everything. Where I grew up…the black students were all in the “cool” crowd. And blacks are definitely in the minority here.
Something like 18k to about 175k white. IIRC, there were about 20 or 30 black kids in our secondary (Jr and Sr high school together) school and every last one of them was either an athlete or on honor roll (back when it meant something), or in band, or just plain really popular.
Is see your observing your own advise Canvas