Some drunk drivers must be murderous or DUI murder wouldn’t exist.
https://www.findlaw.com/dui/charges/dui-manslaughter-and-dui-murder.html
This is how DUI murder can come about (from your first link):
Extreme Indifference to Human Life
The third main type of second-degree murder occurs when a victim dies as a result of the perpetrator’s extreme indifference to the value of human life. Generally speaking, extreme indifference means an utter disregard of the possibility that an act will kill someone.
Going back to Adam and Bill, imagine that instead of hitting Bill over the head with a shovel, Adam grabs his gun and wildly fires toward a crowd of neighbors that have gathered to observe the argument between Adam and Bill. Adam didn’t necessarily mean to kill anyone, but also didn’t give any thought to the harm that his actions could cause to people in the crowd. This demonstrates Adam’s extreme indifference to human life. If one of Adam’s bullets struck and killed anyone in the crowd, then Adam has probably committed a murder in the second degree.
I can see how a DUI homicide could be argued to be legal murder under those circumstances. In a legal sense, you could consider that behavior to be “murderous”.
This is a very strange tangent in a thread originally dedicated to the well-justified evisceration of a transparently trolling sea-lion fuckstick.
Yeah it is.
Never underestimate the ability of dopers to lose focus on the subject of the thread in order to pursue an irrelevant nitpick.
The motto of this board could be “Fighting Ignorance Through Pedantic Tangents”.
And you’re an asshole. I know which I prefer.
I didn’t mean it as an insult, but whatever.
Sure, buddy, whatever you say.
Or rather - fuck off, of course it’s an insult. A piss-poor one, given this is the Pit, but an insult nonetheless. Fuck you and your disingenuousness.
If you look back, when I was debating with you I was trying to do so in a kind way. I don’t always do that, this being the Pit I will often insult the fuck out of people. But I wasn’t upset at you, I had nothing against you, I was just sincerely interested in your viewpoint. You have to admit that your perspective is unusual compared to others on this board.
Really, if you want to throw your toys around and bitch go for it. No skin off my nose. I just wanted you to know I didn’t sincerely mean it in an insulting way. Call me a liar if you want, it doesn’t bother me. I’ve been an administrator on Wikipedia for more than a decade, I’ve been insulted by countless people on the internet. I am pretty used to it.
In other news, in the now closed ATMB thread the fuckstick SayTwo might have posted his most detailed, cite-filled rebuttal to the post where I demonstrate his dishonesty. It was a dishonest response that didn’t really counter anything I demonstrated, but it was long and did have cites, even if they weren’t used correctly. I’m pretty sure it would not have taken place at all if it hadn’t been for DSeid acknowledging that it was difficult to see that interaction as anything other than dishonesty.
So, go SayTwo, we know you’re capable! All you have to do now is focus on accuracy.
It’s possible the phrase “gish gallop” came to mind when reading SayTwo’s rebuttal attempt.
I was going to say before that thread was locked that that was a lot of tap dancing to avoid dealing with the specific issue. I also noticed that he still has no shame whatsoever by continuing to describe experts that were cited as “just” doctors that are telling us “the most anti-science theory that continues to get trotted out there”.
That was followed by Banksiaman showing that SayTwo was ignoring evidence that I already had posted, only to have Saytwo dismiss the evidence just because a judge did agree with businesses and not the scientists.
SayTwo really does not care if he is wrong about thinking that “people are generally well suited enough to broadly assess risk and observant enough to notice if bodies are stacking up on the streets.” In reality they are not as demonstrated by the lack of masking in many restaurants that me and many others observed. And the surveys that showed that many people (specially conservatives) drop masks and social distancing during friends and family reunions or meets while at the same time they do respect using masks when authorities and business require them. SayTwo’s agenda is to justify with dishonest ways the “freedumb” of irresponsible people.
Ignorant fuckstick has a question!
How would we every get at the truth of these oh-so-hard-to-parse sentences, if it were not for his heroic efforts to politely Just Ask Questions, without any agenda whatsoever oh no sir.
He’s doing the same shit again in another thread. For the first time, I’ve gotten to the thread before it was derailed and it was very interesting to read. Since I got there early, I was able to report two posts. Usually it’s hard to find the point at which he fucks it up.
Is it, ‘certainly true’? I’m going to hold you to task here, because I’m not aware of any firm evidence of this, despite its widespread belief. Which events do you have in mind, where hundreds of people were infected? (And can you think of any other explanations for what was observed, in those cases?) You talk about surveillance in your post, and despite the US not having the most rigorous data sets from it, there has been plenty of it worldwide. How ubiquitous is this pattern of one person infecting ‘dozens or hundreds’?
My impression is that the contact tracing that’s been done, particularly in places that can do it with genomic sequencing (and thus, at least theoretically, demonstrate something beyond coincidence), points to the vast, vast preponderance of spread coming in other ways.
So, can you provide cites that demonstrate the ‘certainty’ of that purported ‘truth’?
This paragraph is chock full of assumptions and estimates (at least one not expressly described as such), and of course is based on theoretical models (which is not made expressly clear). You are aware of competing models, I would assume? And ones that do better with observed infection data, at that. The simple threshold model you seem to be using here (some might recognize it as similar to something you might see in middle-school algebra) assumes homogenous populations, no? And the real world is far from that?
I see that the “S” for his Avatar stands for Sealion still.
Well, well, well. Looks like people are no longer engaging the sealion. Except @Banquet_Bear. He’s got more stamina than I’ll ever have.
And, then, this happened:
Finally!
Hear the crowd roar!
