Pitting the bigots I see in my Facebook news feed

How courageous of you to denounce these individuals in a forum they don’t use and will never see. Most people would just call them assholes directly, or delete/block them. Not you. You’re an internet hero. I, for one, am impressed.

From my ignorant brother-in-law’s Facebook posts just since July 6:

Uh- that would be a no. I didn’t know it because it wasn’t true. The citizenship question has NEVER been a part of the short census form mailed to all households.

Staple of every Reich-wingers Facebook feed- we can do NOTHING for anyone else as long as any veteran (cue the choir going ‘ooooooooh’) is in need.

Yeah, right. We saw EXACTLY the same atrocities under Obama.

Right, those women and children fleeing the gangs of their native land could fix it all by gunning down all the bad guys. And what the fuck- the Civil War was an act of treason, no more, no less.

They post shit that is not true in any way, shape, or form and they hit the share button as long as it smears someone they don’t like. Someone can quote Snopes and call out their bullshit and they don’t give a flying fuck, there will be more comments saying how terrible the Democrats are for being evil bastards.

Not bigoted but fucking stupid is their insistence that Congress stole $2 trillion from Social Security. No, fuckwads. When SS ran surpluses they by law had to buy t-bills, which it will cash when needed like any other investor. They post this like they’re concerned about SS but still vote for the party that spent 80 years fighting against Social Security and 50 years fighting against Medicare.

You can’t reason with these dumb fucks, the only consolation is that a lot of them are getting up in years and will soon be dead and buried.

Trump supporters are usually racist close minded assholes, this is news to you in 2019? In other news, water is wet. Normally people post here to rant about those they cannot otherwise contact, or other posters who will see it here. You have a perfectly valid way to tell those how you feel, but don’t- why?

I appear to have unwittingly restated Oakminster’s basic thoughts above, my apologies!

Wait one fucking minute here! Lot of those fighting the second time were fighting for slavery. Takeaway: slavery is what is right in America.

I’ve said it before here and no doubt it will be said again: these bigoted bastards are complete strangers to logic.

I’m working them in my own way, trying to show them the light of a better way.

Awww, I’m someone’s Internet Hero now! I feel so special…

And I have started expressing myself, by posting my own stuff there. Hence my comment about trolling them. Just wanted to blow off some steam about it.

And you’ve never denounced anyone in a forum that they don’t use and will never see?
What if the OP eventually decides to call them assholes (or delete/block), but still continues to post in this thread?

:rolleyes: This from the guy “courageous” enough to say “Fuck Donald Trump in the ass with an electric dildo wrapped in rusty barbed wire” in a forum Donald Trump doesn’t use and will never see.

If you’re going to start scolding people for complaining in the BBQ Pit about annoying individuals just because they may not be confronting those individuals in real life, you’ve really got your work cut out for you, beginning with the guy in your mirror.

There is only one way to defeat Republican misrule, and it’s not posting on FB or on message boards, and it might require more than just voting. The only way Republican misrule will be defeated is by mass protest, mass demonstration, mass organization. We’re past the point when just talking and voting will work.

When you coming to DC and organizing a mass demonstration? I’ll join you.

Saith the Biden supporter. :rolleyes:

I tried Facebook a couple of times, and just didn’t like it much. But my wife’s on there a lot, and she has the same problem with bigots in her feed. She grew up in a small town in central Florida, and many of her relatives are evangelicals - and serious MAGAts. She mutes (if that’s the FB term) a lot of them. She wants to stay on good terms with them, and it’s becoming more of a challenge.

Donald Trump isn’t on my Facebook friends list, so I have no meaningful way to contact him directly. For whatever it may be worth, many local officials and candidates are on my Facebook list, and frequently receive the benefit of my wisdom on various topics. Typically phrased in my own colorful vernacular.

I think he’s on twitter if I heard right.

And I think I know just how much it means to them.

Back to the topic, Facebook fake news is a real problem. There are people who use Facebook as a major source of their news and I fear some use is as their sole source of news. I have seen countless posts that are demonstrably false, and if you check the comments they’re often debunked thoroughly but comments subsequent to the debunking piss and moan about how terrible that fake news is. Even Fox News has some standards, the bots who make these fake memes have no standards other than spreading false information.

Which makes it even more cowardly, by your own silly rationale, for you to (anonymously) hurl obscenities at him on an internet messageboard that he’ll never see. You are cravenly using the safety of your obscurity and inability to get access to Trump as an excuse to shit-talk him behind his back.

A more rational way of looking at it is that anybody is allowed to complain in the BBQ Pit about anything they don’t like, and venting anonymously about somebody else’s political views, whether you know them in person or not, has nothing to do with courage or the lack of it.

Hey I’m impressed that you used rationale in a rational way. :smiley:

FTR, I am not necessarily committed to Biden at this point, but that out of the way, I don’t think voting for Biden necessarily precludes mass demonstration or protest. I think that Biden’s approach to appealing to moderates still makes sense because in the end, regardless of what mass demonstration achieves, we still need a government that can actually govern. And the only realistic way to have that is to approach the political arena with a willingness to fight for principles on one hand while simultaneously knowing when we’ve gone as far as we can with the opposition and finding opportunities for short-term gain. The political environment in 2009-10 was pretty well polarized even then, and yet Obama found a way to navigate that environment and convince a handful of Republican senators to get on board with Obamacare, which isn’t a perfect scheme but better than what existed before.

‘Revolution’ means nothing if you don’t have people in power who are capable of building coalitions and who would rather hold out foolishly for provisions that the opposition won’t ever agree to when you could accomplish at least some measure of improvement in the near term. That’s what the House Twittercrats don’t quite seem to understand yet.

Theoretically not, but do you really think you’re going to get big protests from the left during a Biden administration, unless Biden turns out to be a disaster from a liberal POV?

There’s an argument to be made for Biden. I happen to disagree with that argument, as you know. But if you’re saying “[t]he only way Republican misrule will be defeated is by mass protest, mass demonstration, mass organization,” and you’re simultaneously arguing that we need to throw our weight behind the most moderate political candidate, you’re arguing with yourself, not me.

I’ll just step out while you duke it out with yourself. :slight_smile:

Wait, I’m bandaging my eye, which I injured as a result of punching myself. Okay, there! Now I’m back.

Okay, so yes, I don’t think these two streams of thought run in opposition to one another. I think Barack Obama and FDR were examples of bold revolutionaries with similar impulses but who administered the country differently because while there were some parallels to their ascendant, there were also some important differences. They took the opportunities that were available to them, which is the essence of pragmatism, and pragmatism is how to govern effectively.

I’ve heard the complaint that Obama didn’t go far enough, but he simply did not have the support that he needed. People comparing him to FDR and suggesting that his brand of progressivism fell woefully short of Roosevelt’s are forgetting that Roosevelt inherited not just a recession, but a **depression **-- that had been in effect and worsening for three solid years. The country was desperate, and the energy was borderline revolutionary, which is why it was favorable to reforms that would have been unthinkable even at the start of the depression in late 1928 and even later when the market collapsed in the fall of 1929. By contrast, Obama and his allies had no such mandate. Nevertheless, Obama got passed the stimulus that jump-started the era of economic growth that continues nearly a decade later to this day. He also got the ACA done, which has only become a more popular piece of legislation with time.

Maybe I’m not so much defending Biden himself as much as I am offering a spirited defense of political pragmatism and knowing the boundaries of passion. The concern I have, which I’ve expressed on various threads, is that Trump’s divisiveness is more and more Democrats into the reactionary quadrant, which is not where the party needs to be. On the reverse side of that coin, I would fully agree that there are going to be times when even moderates have to have boundaries that cannot be crossed. And like you, I share the concern that some leaders in the democratic party may not recognize those boundaries until it’s too late.