Try again.
There are plenty of other examples…but Gotti got a LOT of press at Decatur.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/jgitems/
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/gottimug1.html
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/jgitems/prisonsale.html
Hell there’s a whole new tv show playing off of the Gotti legend. Do you think “Growing up Gotti” would be watched by ANYONE if not for the infamy of John Gotti?
Besides, the claim from Lissa was that nobody “cheered” at his incarceration.
One hates to point out things such as this, especially to such smart guys as Dio 
, but it’s Boesky.
Correction…the federal pen is at Marion, not Decatur Illinois.
FWIW…I remember when he was sent there…there was a LOT of publicity concerning his incarceration.
By the way, for those who think misogyny explains Martha Stewart’s non fan-club, you’re off by about 180 degrees.
Well before there was any hint of financial hanky-panky, first and foremost among Martha’s legions of detractors were women who evidently highly resented her status as a style maven. Based on comments I’ve seen in articles and postings in other forums, one could conclude that a lot of this venom has come from homemakers who feel that their busy lives do not allow the sort of elaborate preparations Martha is famous for, and that they will be viewed as coming up short if they don’t match her.
I would bet that among those who are paying close attention to Martha’s “degradation”, there are more gleeful women than there are men.
Disclosure: along with my consuming disinterest in all things Martha, I should reveal that I once bought a length of K-Mart Martha Stewart garden hose, which turned out to be a crappy product that kinks. I don’t think i’m predjudiced against her on that account, though. 
I think it’s partly that and partly just the type of household name she is. I’m thinking of the reaction to PeeWee Herman’s arrest for public lewdness.
Was the case awash in ridiculous publicity…of course. The idea of a a former host of PeeWee’s PlayHouse getting busted for lewdness in a theater made fo lots-o-laughs for the Johnny Carson/Jay Leno type monlogues. Same thing here…I’ve seen lots of gimmicks about Martha Stewart dressing up her jail cell etc… Of course it’s dumb, but its about her household name recognition and perceived “persona”, not misogyny.
I would bet dollars to donuts that if Donald Trump got arrested for a similar thing…he would get similar kind of media coverage…because Trump, unlike Boesky et al, is a household name.
Her sex doesn’t matter one whit, here. I was pleased when Martin Grass reported to the pokey for cooking the books at Rite-Aid, and hold the same feelings for Dennis Kozlowski, Jeffrey Skilling, and others of their ilk.
I think you just busted the mysogyny argument. You just sold me hook line and sinker with that anology. Martha is the archetypical homemaker. Her conviction and sentence so untypifies her. Peewee Herman ? Lets face it , we are not always so accepting of the need to masturbate, especially when you consider his powerful influence on a hell of a lot of children. Martha had powerful influence as well. For the future, the question will be "Will homemakers support Martha and those betting on her after she gets out? Or will she have lost her throne and therefore her livelyhood? Remember Peewee Herman? I’ll bet a lot of you don’t.
The fact is, I also don’t believe a lot of homemakers were pissed of at her ! I believe the more sophisticated “career” woman is savvyer in projecting a media spin to tear down an influence that is contrary to their stutus in the female heirarchy.
Look, Martha the homemaker = Martha the convicted criminal just doesn’t compute.
That enough can explain the attention given by this story.
That is true. Were we more conspiracy-minded we’d almost wonder if the big publicity over Martha is not in a small way a way to redirect attention away from how, say, the majority of those responsible for the Enrons etc. of the world are STILL out in the street. (BTW count me in as one of those who would punish white-collar crooks not with jail but with poverty)
I can see why people are paying attention.
I don’t buy misogyny as a rationale for it all.
Martha has always put a hair up my butt. Maybe not for entirely rational reasons, but certainly not out of misogyny. Rather the opposite-- she rankles me because she sells an image of consumer-oriented homemaking as better “living” that is well beyond the means of most consumers. It’s wierd consumer porn. Her magazine features write-ups on crap like $200 baby shoes.
What she has inspired in me for years is a certain amount of class hatred. (I’m not terribly proud about that, to be clear.) Everything I’ve read about her has tended to reinforce that. Such ego! She’s fun to hate.
So now her pride has gotten her burned. She thought she was untouchable. Damned right I’m spooning up the schadenfreude. Boo hoo – she was given the minimum possible sentence for her crime, and she’s serving it in a relatively genteel institution.
Nope, no misogyny behind that.
Of course, I’d secretly like to have rough sex with her and know that she’d never stand for it. But that’s just a tiny part of it.
It occurs to me that rough sex may be the only type that she could relate to, or enjoy!
She certainly doesn’t seem to be a romantic, warm bath, candles and rose-petals-in-the-bed kind of gal.
I don’t buy the mysogyny angle, either. What we’re looking at here is class warfare. Martha is a have. For the next few years, she has to live like a have-not. This is greatly amusing to the have-nots, who make up the majority of the population of this country. The reason why Martha Stewart gets this attention and Ivan Boesky did not is because nobody had ever heard of Ivan Boesky before he was tried. He was only in the public consciousness because of the trial. Once the trial was over, there was nothing there to keep people interested. Martha has fame that is independent of the crime of which she was convicted. The trial is over, but the fame remains. In this respect, she’s no different than OJ, Robert Urich, or Pee-Wee Herman, all people who received media attention above and beyond what was merited by the crimes they committed.
Robert Urich? What crime did he commit? (I’m not saying he didn’t, I just never heard of it.)
Meant Robert Blake, I bet.
Yeah, all those women hate her alright, that’s why nobody’s heard of her and she’s going to die penniless.
Somebody is buying all of her products, watching her shows, reading her magazines, and shopping at K-Mart. Judging from how much money her corporation is worth, it’s a lot of somebodies. I’m sure that men and women who work outside of the home don’t have use for any of these things…so who does that leave?
I think that people hate her for the same qualities (being a bitch) they’d admire in a man. She’s offputting because she presents one front (happy creative homeworker/perfect wife) and in reality, she’s a hard-nosed business woman who is also exceptionally intelligent and knows what she wants and how to get it. She’ sending mixed signals, and I think it threatens people.
Serial rapist.
No, of course not. I meant Blake, like Revtim said. Sorry for the confusion.
Good call, Rev. That never occurred to me for some reason.
Sorry, Miller…didn’t mean to highlight your faux pas. I regetted my post as soon as I saw Revtim’s.
(Pardon, SA has to go iron his hands now.)
Of course there are, because women are notoriously competitive with one another and for all the talk about sisterhood and supporting one another, there is a huge faction of women who love any time another woman gets thrown down a peg or ten, because of some antiquated and utterly wrongheaded notion that there isn’t room enough at the top for more than a few females, and if they can’t be there no one else ought to be either.
For stark, living examples in action, watch an episode of The Apprentice. Those bitches make me sad to have ovaries.
And I agree with grienspace. It wasn’t homemakers who were anti-Martha because she made them look bad, it was career women who were offended at the idea that house beautiful and special meals and handicrafts and gardening and making the most of occasions were important anymore and that any woman should be expected to take an interest in such frivolities because, after all, there were lawsuits to file and board meetings to attend and clients to take to lunch and assistants to remind us that we needed to pick up our kids at soccer that day, even though it wasn’t our day, because their father has that dinner meeting.
Or the career women who resent like hell that they have to work, because what they really want is to be at home with their kids, focusing on the house beautiful and peaceful and happy with good meals and neat projects and a nice yard with maybe some flowers, and dogs that happily romp through the manicured grass.
:dubious: hmmm… so she symbolizes the loftiest aspiration of womanhood, “house beautiful and special meals”? :rolleyes:
I will say that it does seem plausible to me that all the well-adjusted, happy career women who feel highly empowered because their success, achievement and financial stability is in their hands and are highly satisfied at facing challenges on their own merits; as well as the homemakers who are happy and fulfilled with their life as-is because their fulfillment comes from within; do NOT need Martha as the subject of their daily “Five Minutes of Hate”. And neither do the career women and stay-at-homes both who are in those positions because it’s what is an economic necessity for their family AND who have the emotional health to realize that envying someone else’s better life is pointless, because they realize everyone has to play the hand they were dealt (And that “you can have the best of both worlds” is just an advertising myth: what most of us can hope is to make the best compromise possible)
IOW, as mentioned before by other posters, it IS a “class warfare” type of situation. She is the Poster Girl for the have-it-all set.
Incarcerating Martha Stewart makes no sense…it will cost us (the taxpayers) probably on the order of $18,000 to keep her in jail for 5 months…plus the oBSCENE $15 million that the governemnt spent trying her!
Yeah, go ahead and enjoy her humiliation…while big-time crooks like Dennis Koslowsky and Ken Lay get off scot free!
Don’t put words in my mouth. I said nothing of the kind.
Exactly. Hating her is more telling about the person doing the hate. It’s not necessarily even a class thing as much as it is a situation thing. If you’re happy where you are, regardless of where you are, rich or poor, working or at home, you don’t need to hate on Martha. If you’re not, she’s a very convenient target.