I find it very hard to believe that Planned Parenthood has a problem with young people who don’t want to have sex, or with women who have given birth who want to keep their babies.
And I wasn’t aware that PP got any money from the governenment, but if they do, don’t you suppose they spend some of it on reducing the number of out-of-wedlock births?
I might just get some as gag cards to send friends!
With of course some ironic ProLife comment inside S
As my post implies, there really aren’t any pure conservatives or liberals.
But, the pharisees were the rule followers, those who wanted to get back to the original Mosaic code, they believed in life after death. They were more nationalistic. (Although a group called the Zealots were the most nationalistic)
The Saducees believed in the the temple, going along with the Romans, They did not believe in life after death. (OK, this may have been the conservative view of their day in the Jewish culture, but would have been a liberal view from some viewpoints. You see the complexity and the problem with simply identifying Jesus as a liberal? That was my real point.) The Saducees were probably more tolerant of theological differences amoung individuals, though as the Temple controllers they could not brook organized defiance.
The whole liberal/conservative labeling is just unworkable anyway. Are we talking about politically liberal or politically conservative? Personally conservative or liberal? Conservative or liberal in business?
What is the starting point of the conservative position? One might argue right now that it is the conservative position to keep PP funding at current levels. After all, that supports the status quo, eg. is more cautious, more conservative.
Oops, accidentally auto-signed in as Duck Duck Goose (shared computer, DDG is my wife and I am new here.)
The immediately preceding post should be by Boxer.
As someone here said in another thread. I am usually not this clueless.:smack:
I think they are inappropriate - unless you are DARN SURE the recipiant wouldn’t be offended.
Then again, I think that my sister in law sending me religious Christmas cards (On This Day Our Saviour was Born) every year when she knows we aren’t Christian is inappropriate.
The idea with a holiday card is to wish someone a nice holiday. Preaching anything at all with them seems to me to be a breach of etiquitte.
G-d’s Word-
Pharisees: the Torah, the Prophets & the Writings (our entire “Old Testament”), plus the Rabbinic Oral Law later codified into the Talmuds.
Sadduccees: only the Torah
Beliefs-
Pari
Class-
Pharisees: more populist, laity & non-priestly Rabbinate
Sadduccees: priestly establishment, collaborated with Roman occupiers
God’s Word-
Pharisees: the Torah, the Prophets & the Writings (our entire “Old Testament”), plus the Rabbinic Oral Law later codified into the Talmuds.
Sadducees: only the Torah
Beliefs-
Pharisees: rewards/punishment in the Afterlife & the Resurrection, existence of angels & demons, the coming of Messiah
Sadducees: God rewards/punishes in this life alone, Torah-keeping &
Sacrificial system central, no other spiritual being but God
Class-
Pharisees: more populist, laity & non-priestly Rabbinate
Sadduccees: priestly establishment, collaborated with Roman occupiers
Well shit, I’m really regretting my remark about Jesus being a liberal etc. No one’s responding to the OP which is that I find it highly ironic for the Christian right to be so sensitive in claiming ownership to the phrase “Peace on Earth” while being so hawkish and un-Christ-like in pursuing actual peace on Earth.
Welcome, Boxer !
I agree with you also-IMHO, Jesus was a radical.
Damn Yippie!
Couldn’t have said it better myself, and welcome to the SDMB, Boxer.
I had to laugh at this: 
Christmas cards are usually bought by the box and most have the same theme, if not the same card. WTF??? You distinguish between Christian and otherwise??? I thought we’re all just people. :rolleyes:
Sure, which is why you buy a nice box of holiday cards that say “Merry Christmas” or, if you have a lot of Jewish/Pagan/Atheist friends “Happy Holidays.” Or even “Peace on Earth.” Not ones that say “Abortion is Murder” “Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom” or “You are going to Hell if you don’t agree Jesus is the Reason for the Season.” Not that any of the cards actually say that, but that is what people from the “other side” of the fence read.
Don’t know about you, but I try not to offend my friends and family when I send them holiday greetings. Its not like its hard to find a nice non-offensive Christmas card that doesn’t have a political or religious message every one of your friends may not agree with. And it isn’t like my sister in law doesn’t know we aren’t Christian.
Perhaps, but she and you are celebrating a Christian holiday, so I fail to see how it is inappropriate. If she sent you a religious card for Halloween or Independence Day, that would be different. I know Christmas has been secularized to a significant degree, but still… it really is the observance of Christ’s birth.
Sorry for continuing this hijack of the OP. On a more related note, I think hijacking the season to spread a political message is inappropriate – and kind of sad – but I would stop short of calling it offensive.
Am I, Skammer? Or am I celebrating Saturnalia? Or Solstice? Or New Years? Or Hanukkah? Kawanzaa? Or the secular version of Christmas that has everything to do with a tree and cookies and Santa and presents and family and Peace on Earth and nothing to do with religion at all? Keep in mind that the holiday season was the holiday season long before Christians decided it would be a good time to celebrate Christ’s birth (which probably didn’t happen at Christmastime). No, it really isn’t a celebration of Christ’s birth for many, many people.
I’m certainly not celebrating a Christian holiday. She may be, be we are not.
Halloween is as religious a holiday as Christmas to many people. Keep that in mind the next time a Pagan sends you a Halloween card with a religious message.
If a Pagan sent me a religious Halloween card, I would be glad that they thought of me, and even happier that they wanted to me to share in their celebration. (As a matter of fact, I find Halloween pretty pointless as it is, so at least someone would be attaching some meaning to it, even if I disagreed with their worldview).
Your other point is taken, that you may not be celebrating Christmas (though lots of non-religious folks do). I’m aware that there are plenty of other winter holidays. But you strike me as a little over-sensitive to complain that your religious sister-in-law sends you religious Christmas cards. She’s trying to be nice, and she’s celebrating something important to her. She’s not doing it to offend you or cram religion down your throat*
*I’m extrapolating based on my motives for sending religious greeting cards. If you believe she’s purposely trying to be offensive, then of course you know her better than I.
No, you don’t know my sister in law. She’s trying to cram her religion down our throats. I get religious themed cards from others that I don’t mind nearly so much - because I know their motivation is to be nice (and they may not even know we aren’t a Christian household, it isn’t something that we make a big deal out of).
But, if I send my sister in law “Choice on Earth” cards and was so clueless as to think I was merely being nice would it still be inappropriate? Or is the motivation of being nice good enough to overcome either a political or a religious message? I may be a little manners centered, but I think we need to think about both our motivation and how our message will be received. Asking a woman “When is the baby due?” is done out of the best intentions - but its still a terribly rude question - especially if you find out she is just overweight.
(BTW, I once did get a relgious themed Halloween card from a Pagan friend, it was very odd )
[total hijack]
What does offend me is the word Xmas.
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As to to OP, which I’ve almost totally forgotten about. Any political message is gross, especially if it’s blatant, I would not think much of the sender.
if someone was going to send my elected representative one of those pro-life cards, i’d sure as heck want to send them a PP one.
just in case they forgot that pro-choice people vote too…
but sending them to family and friends…icky
Anyone else find it a little ironic that PP decides to create a card such as this to celebrate a famous birth?
When I send out Christmas cards, I would hope to God that I can think of something else to say besides my views on abortion.
Even the family newsletters about vacations and little Jenny’s dance recital would be better.
A fanatic is someone who won’t change his mind, and can’t change the subject. Lots of people on both sides of the abortion debate fit that description.
Regards,
Shodan
PS - Happy Eid el-Fittr!
Just to clear up this all-too common misconception, the term Xmas has been used as far back as the sixteenth century. It is derived from the X symbol many illiterates used as their “mark” and was called the Christ-cross. It’s a very old abbreviation for Christ and is in no way anti-religious.
So as not to be a total hijack, the cards don’t strike me as horribly inappropriate. Does anyone know if PP is selling them, or simply sending them out to those on their mailing list?