Funny, I stole it from Facebook.
OMGBC, I’d find cites to back up everything I’ve said if I thought it would do any good. But this is the Pit and I have a feeling it wouldn’t help matters anyway. It’s impossible to argue with someone who refuses to see reason, and never ever concedes any point. Hell, your convenience store bullshit is enough to prove that. And I’d be wasting my time arguing with someone who is that willfully obtuse (and that is obviously your MO).
Yeah. That’s what it is. Or, and bear with me here, what’s probably more likely is that you’re-- as is the usual MO with pro-choicers-- fearmongering. That gets old after a while. It really does.
…Oh, and fwiw, the convenience store thing isn’t bullshit. As you know, I know and everyone on this forum knows, saying that women won’t be able to afford low-cost contraceptives if Planned Parenthood goes bye-bye is a load of horse manure, simply because you can walk your ass into most any gas station, any convenience store or any Wal-Mart, walk down to the family planning isle, and find some form of contraceptive for less than $10 (and I ain’t just talking about condoms). Before you start calling someone “wilfully obtuse”, perhaps you should try being a bit honest in the way your argue? That would make a world of difference.
The services PP provides are almost all to the poor . Nobody else provides to the poor like they do. They save us a lot of money in the future. It is smart to fund PP.
The reason we have programs for the poor and elderly is because they were way under served. They went without the services. No charity kept up with the need.
What does that have to do with low cost birth control? You seem to think if they spend ten bucks, they are forever protected from conception. Even if it is ten bucks a month, it is beyond the budget of many low income families. It is obvious the experience of true poverty is beyond your imagination. Everybody has ten bucks for condoms.
Or if they don’t, then either they needed to plan better or they should just not have sex.
Hell, man, sometimes sex is the only entertainment available.
Yeah, possible. And I would have been happy to see that kind of analysis. From my memory, this did not match the rhetoric coming from the lawmakers. Another problem is that the ratio of costs between the status quo and the vaccination program was something like 1000:1; it would take a lot of graft and corruption for to outweigh this ratio. But I concede this could have been part of their thinking.
Anyway, my opinion still stands. I do not hear anything from the Republican party that sounds like a solution to the serious problems we are facing these days. All I hear are ideological stances. If you are having a different experience, please share where you are experiencing plans and ideas from the right side of aisle…
BaLCK CONSERVATIVE ,you are so wrong.
Wendell potter was a Gigna Heathcare Eec for 15 years. Then he went to the County Fairgrounds in Virginia and saw people from several states in long lines trying to get heathcare. We have a healhtcare relief organization because so many people go without health care. Yet you want to dump PP?
No, other organization will not and can not provide. We have 50 million uninsured and under insured. No charity comes close to meeting that need. None can.
Emphasis added by me.
I am sure you can back this up, right OMGABC? It seems, on the face of it, clearly bullshit since blue states tend to supply much more in federal taxes per capita than red states. But you sure seem sure of yourself, so just go ahead and prove it.
OK, I went and did some Googling and this is what I found. In my county, Jefferson County Colorado, you would be right. The county itself offers contraceptives and family planning services on a sliding scale.
I then targeted my googling to Chesire County, NH (chosen at random) and I was unable to find any low cost family planning services or contraceptives outside of Planned Parenthood. That said, I also found that the state Planned Parenthood contract is going to be awarded to a different organization that does not do abortions and that these services will be provided in the future…
Well, it’s obvious, isn’t it? Rich people pay the most in taxes. If you’re rich, it’s clearly because you’re a conservative.
Yet all those rich people from Hollywood are liberals! This is so confusing! Peoples 1 foot wide brushes don’t seem to paint clear pictures.
It’s OK though because from a conservative point of view the arts are a waste of money anyhow. Lets just white wash the whole country and call it conservative.
So all Americans being conservative it makes a ton of sense that they pay more in US taxes.
OMGBC, here’s an article with some of the numbers about the lack of alternatives to PP in Oregon and Washington. The basic fact of the matter is that shutting PP down leaves a huge number of Medicaid patients without preventative health care (including mammograms, pap tests, and STD tests) that can’t be purchased at convenience stores.
You can hate PP for whatever crazy reason you want, but saying their services aren’t necessary is a lie.
Also, people might be able to buy condoms at 7-11, but that’s not exactly a long term strategy for family planning. Women can go to PP, get STD tests and pap tests done, then be prescribed the pill or an IUD (lasts 5 years) at a reduced (not free) rate. These are important elements in responsible sexual health, and saying otherwise is wrong.
Not everyone who has sex has $10 to spend, even at WalMart. But at my local PP, you can buy condoms for 30 cents apiece. Does your WalMart offer that? Mine doesn’t.
Know what else WalMart doesn’t offer? Breast exams. Pap smears. Family planning services such as counseling on a one-to-one basis. Information about STDs and how to avoid them. Education. Mammograms. Bloodwork. Free or low-cost pregnancy tests. Cancer screenings. Urinary analysis. And, of course, legal abortion.
I don’t know. Maybe your gas stations and convenience stores are a lot snazzier than ours here in Indiana.
Really, this whole problem could be solved if we could just get abortions at gas stations and convenience stores. And pay for with them with EBT.
Excuse me? How much do you think birth control at Planned Parenthood costs? Apparently, you’ve never bothered to look up the costs of birth control at Planned Parenthood.
Implanon: $400 - $800 up front but lasts for three years
Orhtra Evtra: $15 - $70 a month
Birth Control Pills: $15 - $50 a month
Depo-Provera: $35 – $75 per injection, plus any exam fees
Birth Control Sponge: $9 – $15 for a package of three sponges
Birth Control Vaginal Ring: $15 – $70 a month
Cervical Cap: $60 – $75, but lasts up to two years
Condoms: Cost about $1 each, but are sometimes available for free
Diaphragm: $15 – $75, but lasts up to two years
Female condom: $4 each
IUD: $500 - $1,000 up front, but lasts up to 12 years
Spermicide: $8 per package
Tubal Ligation: $1,500 - $6,000
Vasectomy: $350 - $1,000
If, as you say, $10 per month is too much more poor people to afford, then most of the poor people can’t afford to use Planned Parenthood anyway since a lot of that costs more than $10 a month or it requires a large sum of money up front that poor people wouldn’t have.
Like I said before, one of these days I’m going to try to understand the liberal mindset. It truly is astounding.
Yes, I can. Unlike others around here, I don’t make shit up.
You can read it all here.
That’s great. It doesn’t prove my assertion false which itself wasn’t an assertion, but rather me asking for proof of another’s assertion. Of course, good luck with it, because you’re going to need it, as said assertion isn’t true at all– unless your county suffers from a lack of any medical provider.
You do realize that’s the exact same argument Planned Parenthood always makes, don’t you? “Fund us or millions of women won’t have a healthcare provider!” That’s called fearmongering, and it’s baseless. Planned Parenthood tried that same that same argument in Indiana and-- wouldn’t you know it?-- none of their predictions came to pass. Here is a pretty good article about what happened in Indiana right after Planned Parenthood was defunded. None of the doom and gloom that was predicted to happen, happened. Women were referred and went elsewhere, and world still spun on its axis.
Oh, and mammograms, pap tests and STD tests aren’t contraceptives, and you can obtain all of those from your primary physician, or (s)he will direct you to where you can get them, as should be listed on your Medicaid. Again, the idea that Planned Parenthood is the only place to go where you can get these things for low cost is purely fearmongering, especially considering that Planned Parenthood only services a minority of Medicaid recipients. In Indiana, for example, I think it’s something like 1%.
Fine. They can go to Wal-Mart and get on the pill for like $10 
No, but seriously. For people who care about the poor, you guys seem to make some odd posts. If someone is poor-- too poor to afford buying condoms, for example, at their local Wal-Mart-- how on Earth are they going to afford $500 - $1,000 up front for an IUD? I really want someone to explain to me how that works.
Edit: And, yeah. It’s nice to see the faux wit is still going strong.
What is the economic benefit of anybody having an unwanted child?
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For example, last I saw, California which houses about 13 - 16% of the U.S. population makes up about 50’ish% of all welfare recipients. Go figure. Liberalism run amok.
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Cite? I’ve looked on Census.gov and HHS.gov and other government websites and the highest I saw come near to implying this was a chart showing California accounts for approximately 24% of TANF dollars.
Apparently you never bothered to read your own cite:
The depth of conservative ignorance is breathtaking.
Call your local ob-gyn office and find out how much a new-patient exam costs, and then calculate your birth control costs for an uninsured woman.
That’s where Planned Parenthood can be a lifesaver. I can get birth control pills for the cost of a basic exam (I think it was $35) plus the monthly cost of pills (starting at $4).
When I went to a ob-gyn, the new patient exam, pap, etc, was well over $200. Then I could run over to CVS and pay $44 a month for pills.
Like it or not, admit it or not, it’s expensive to visit a doctor and obtain women’s healthcare and birth control. And whether you want to admit it or not, not everyone can afford those prices. It would lend much credence to your argument if you could think beyond the “poor people should just not have sex” argument.
Yes but it did not cost our OMGBC a dime. that is a true success. You are off his radar now. Another poor person disappears.