Please advise me about the potential best pet parrot for me and my partner

I’ve been thinking for years about how I’d like to adopt a pet parrot, and recently the WolfDude and me have begun discussing the matter. He’s not unamenable to the idea, but at this point he’s not enthusiastic about it, either. Allow me to explain, please; then to request some input from other hookbill happy Dopers

The factors in favor of additional psittacine citizens entering our lives include:first, the fact that we’re both the sort of person who needs to have some close animal friends in his life (and it’s very unlikely we’ll be in a position where we could have a pooch or two anytime soon);; and second, within the last several monthsI have initiated Wolf to the joys and hilariousness that budgies (melopsittacus undulatus) bring into people’s lives.

Those are grass or shell parakeets to any interested neophytes- amongst the readers; yes, those cheery and colorful little guys you used to could get at Woolworths for a couple of bucks, like your grandma might’ve had. First came Oliver, a crotchety but garrulous little chap in a natty purple and white weskit; then our little household was joined by an elegant, dramatic and somewhat over-assertive young ladybird named Miss Clara laBlanca, with whom Oliver entered a common-law (common-caw?) relationship; then, the last and best birdie of them all showed up --my totally adorable little buttercup-faced brat birdie, Alias The Parakeet (whose full name is Alias Alibi Erickson-Pop, but I mostly call him Li’l Birdee-Boo).

Our parakeet posse (or as Wolf likes to call them, The Chillybeepers Three) have made life infinitely pleasanter and more fabulous at our house, and Wolf in particular is blown away by how comical, fascinating and just amazing they are to just watch; what charming and entertaining little friends they can be, and how much actual personality and startling intelligence they have packed in their wee lentil-sized birdie brains.

They’re Wolf’s first avian pets, yes, but not mine, not by any means. I’ve kept a flock o’budgerooties in my day; also experienced with owning cockateils (most notably His Supreme Too-Muchness, Emperor Pickles I , who was one of my best pets ever, for all that he was a totally evil, vicious, and blackhearted little tyrant and more of a pervert than I am, even.).

Besides the birds I’ve kept myself, I’ve become acquainted with, befriended, helped care for, pet-sat for or just closely observed several other kinds of hookbills including lovebirds, an African Grey (with whom I became great buddies even though his human care-person was scared half to death of me), assorted conures and non-budgie parakeets, a little green and brown parrotlet of some kind, a couple of Amazonz and a cockatoo of the kind they call a rosy gala (he was very cute and adorable until he let out this gawd-awful skullbusting and entirely unprovoked SCREEEEAAAAAMMMM while he was about three inches from my left ear) (it stopped bleeding and ringing after a day or two).

Thus I think I can righteously claim to be a good, kindly, dutiful and informed keeper of 'teils and 'keets; I love 'em dearly and take my responsibility to keep them healthy and happy quite seriously indeed.

Therefore, I believe I am ready to take on the challenge of adopting, rearing and keeping an actrual parrot as a pet:by “actual parrot” I mean someone who’s a few steps beyond a budgie or cockytteedle. I know that anything bigger than a cockateil is MORE BIRD in every way: bigger, stronger, smarter, more complicated and costly to feed and to house, with more complicated emotional and mental processes and more potential to do one a serious mischief if one pisses them off. I also know that I’d probably get past all that and be delighted with my bigger, wiggier psittacine citizen comrade, and make him one of the most gleefully spoiled cracker-chasers in California.

Wolf’s not quite sold on the notion yet but he’ll come around; He loves the parakeets and has quickly learned a whole lot about their care. Meanwhile since I’m the one with prior bird knowledge and interest, the selection and acquistition of our future feathered friend will be mostly my responsibility.

Which brings me, at last, to my point; the area about which I request some good input from my fellow parrot-parent Dopers aspiring and experienced alike. I’d like some knowledge about what might be the best type parrot for me and my Wolfboy and our Chillybeepers.

We’re men in our mid to late 40s who live in a small apartment,keep odd hours and play our music loud; at least one of us is home most of the time but we’ve no real schedule. We have friends over to share a drink or a smoke at times, as well as the occasional overnight or weekend gentleman caller.I mention these details in case there’s a kind of petbird who’s inimical or ideal to that sort of life. The small apartment might require us to be creative wrt housing space for our pintsized pal with the pinfeathers, too.

Okay. What we need would be a species of bird which tends to be friendly, cuddly, playful and smart;And NOT SCREAMY. **NOT SCREAMY I SAID! **which eliminates all of the conures, cockatoos and macaws right away, don’t it? And Amazons too, which I don’t want one of anyway because I’ve known two and they were both crazy and meaner’n shit. talking potential would be very nice but isn’t vital For a long time I thought it was an African Grey for me, because I like their semi-alien look, all cold, intelligent grey eyes and reptilian, slightly menacing profiles; and OF COURSE I’d LOVE to have a genius talker for a pet bird, who wouldn’t? but the more I read about Greys the more they strike me as being really emotionally and psychically fragile; if my bird was to become miserable and go crazy and pick itself naked or something like that, because I couldn’t take care of its emotions properly, I’d never forgive myself.Also the price of a hand raised young’un is far out of my range. I could save up and scrape a few hundred bucks together, but a freakin’ thousand?? This will not happen to me in my life.

Lories and Lorikeets are beautiful to look at but I don’t think I’m up to their specialized feed needs and they also cost way more than I can ever.afford. Eclectus just don’t appeal to me, although they are very beautiful to look at, too.
Amongst the parrotlets the kind I think I’d really like to have as a pet is illegal to own in California ( (Myiopsitta monachus, also called the graycheek parrotlet,quaker parakeet or monk parrot, mon. I definitely do not want any goddamn lovebird and that’s final.

There’s several kinds of Poicephalus and Pionus varieties who might work out nice as our feathered kiddo, from what I have read.

Please, advise me. What’s a good apartment parrot? One who’s a clever delightful little person by nature and capable of bonding with two daddies without crazy-bird jealousy drama leading to bloodshed and hurt feelings? With a mild streak of the party animal deep in his or her wee feathery soul? One who’s fairly hardy and healthy by nature and not emotionally hyperfragile? Not as big as a hyacinth macaw or one of them scaaary lookin black goliath cockatoos, but not a some pygmy petite pocket-polly neither.Unless someone has an adorable favorite pet parrot I’ve never heard about they’d like to recommend, I’ve got the selection narrowed down to either one of the Poicephalus species ((either the Meyers or the Senegal) or maybe Pionus. I have read that amongst the Pionus clan, the blueheaded ones make the best pets and companions as a general rule; can anybody speak to this for me?

Well that’s my parrot-people-pestering post, I know it’s ungodly long so if you’ve read this far I surely do thank you… If you can help enlighten me on the psitt sitch I’ll thank you twice as much!

We have a Jardine’s (poicephalus gulielmi-- maybe the biggest of the poicephalus?)) and while he’s awesome he can be a bit screechy when he’s excited-- and then he sounds like a lovebird on PCP with an amplifier. I’ve heard similar reports about conures. He’s quite sane (if a bit macho–picks fights with his human rivals) and adaptable-- good at road trips and such, so I don’t worry about him going all depressed mental like greys or cockatoos are prone to. So Senegals or Meyers might indeed be exactly what you’re looking for. I’ve also heard good things about pionus but have no personal experience. What about eclectus?

A dead one?

As noted, conures, cockatoos and macaws all scream with birdish excitement at the rising sun, setting moon and things we cannot see. Loris do not seem to be nectar only, although research is still ongoing.

All in all, the Mighty African Gray (either flavor) is a good choice. Lots of personality and mine at least likes to party, but is able to retreat to a quiet closet if things get too loud and late.

I think most of the mid-sized parrots who talk well are also capable of screaming, even though not all of them are as ear-splitting as conures, macaws, and cockatoos can be. Even the Quaker parrot, in spite of not being all that big, is noisy enough that I could see it being a problem in an apartment (I have a quaker - trust me, they can squawk and scream enough that it’s really for the best that you can’t own them in CA :slight_smile: ).
Since it would be really sad to have to give up a parrot due to noise complaints, you might want to consider the littler guys like the pacific parrotlet who are small enough that they aren’t likely to cause problems with your neighbors even if they do decide to raise a ruckus.

I speak with absolutely zero experience as a parrot owner (I —@@@TOTALLY@@@— could not hack it, though I live quite happily with a red-tailed hawk for a hunting partner) but several years experience working in a locally-owned pet store with an extremely hard-core avian expert in house. We’d keep birds as long as it took to find excellent homes for them, and had staff entirely to care for the birds. We spent hours handling them.
We kept all three species, Meyers, Senegal, and Pionus. I don’t remember a whole lot about the Meyers or Senegal as individuals, but I do remember that the blue-headed Pionus was a serious love-muffin of a parrot. Sweet and quiet, and if I ever were to work entirely from home and consider keeping a psittacine, this one would be it. No offense to you conure owners out there, but y’all must be nuts ;). I’d go out of my mind with the noise.

Incidentally, my falconry sponsor has a toucanette, named Pepe. Now, that is one cute bird!

And PS: with everything I’ve ever been taught about how to screen potential parrot buyers, you sound like you’d make a wonderful home. Just make sure the little guy has a quiet place to retire in case he’s stressed with the noise and action on occasion. Even in tight corners, make this a priority.

DLuxN8R-13, I just wanted to say that I loved your post! You sound like such an awesome birdie-daddy. Good luck in finding your next baby, and please update us (with photos!)

Jardine’s parrots have a good rep, but my only personal experience was the one at the local pet shop that kept trying to shoplift himself. (When I walked towards the cash register, my hood or a pocket would start chanting “beepandsqueek.beepandsqueek!beepandsqueek!!”)
All conure owners ARE nuts:)
the breeds you mention have a lot of fans. I have also heard red-sided parrots are good.
I think the African Grey is a pretty good idea- I would recommend a rescue that does not have a prior plucking problem. They are less neurotic then everyone says. Mine deal with an irregular schedule, “noogies”, live bands in the basement and cats. They have all been multi home birds when we got them, and have thrived for 13+ years (Steve bird)

The Norwegian Blue is reputed to be very quiet and need minimal care.

Beyoo-iful plumage, Norwegian blue.

Greys do not always talk. My Princess just chirps and burbles, and Steve has largely abandoned his ability to talk in sentences in favor of interpretive dance. Grass parakeet budgies always win the records for best/most/etc talking. I hear the Timneh greys are more emotionally together, which may be why mine seem so mellow.

I know a Grey who grew up at an unstable dot-com (now has a good stable family), and he doesn’t talk, but he makes a lot of cool noises and is generally completely awesome-- sounds like Steve and Princess.
Conurepete-- what’s a red-sided parrot? (on preview-- ok, I know them as eclectus. Strange little guys but they seem really sane)

Ah, but they pine for the fjords most of the time.