That’s not how it works. That Israel currently buys armaments from the USA is not the issue.
It has been asserted that if the relationship broke, then the arms purchases would stop. If cites are needed, that’s where.
That’s an overstatement. A reference was made to “loss” of purchases, not “complete cessation” (although it is a reasonable assumption that if there was a total breakdown in relations, arms sales would stop. We are not to my knowledge currently selling arms to Syria and Iran.
If you want to stick with “No”, “So what” and other word games, so be it.
Is THAT what you thought I was being critical about? Your writing style? No, it was the content free ‘no’ ‘so what’ responses silly! I’d be the LAST person on this board to criticize anyone about their writing style, punctuation or grammer my man…as my own is truely horrible.
-XT
No, you are precisely and entirely incorrect. Captain Amazing’s reference was to:
That does mean complete cessation, does it not?
But that wouldn’t happen, would it. Both you and CA are mistaken.
From your invaluable cite above: The two biggest purchasers of US armaments in the Near East are; Saudi Arabia and; Egypt. Neither of those is an ally of the US. What would displace Israel as the third largest purchaser, if the US was also unaligned to that country?
I suggest you return to this debate once you have taken the opportunity to correct your lack of knowledge on the subject.
I get your point - the Saudi Government is friendly with the USA
- and regretting the eviction of US troops
The Egyptian Government has been friendly towards the USA, possibly since 1956, but definitely from about 1975 when the USA ‘bought’ peace and dignity.
Both states suffer from a load of nutters that they would like to disappear overnight.
The trouble is that peasants breed like rabbits
… Hmm… Syria has the same problem
- a sophisticated and educated ruling elite, trying to stay on top of a juvenile and easiliy fanaticized underclass,
Thank you for only killing half of us when your military might could have killed us all. Sometimes people just dont know what to be grateful for. Only blowing up half the roads and anfrastructure. Wow, what remarkable restraint. It is believed Israel has nukes. I am gtrateful the bomb hasnt been used. What biblical restraint they have shown.
Go complain to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his weapon delivery to Hezbollah.
Go complain about Bushes emergency sending of bombs to israel. They are both obtaining outside weapons. Is there a point.Bush and Israel have much more fire power. It is shooting fish in a barrel. They are practically defenseless. The missles are like anti aircraft shells. They are not guided. Very few have done significant damage. Israel meanwhile has decimated cities. They are supposed to have warned civilians to leave. But if the roads, airports and bridges are gone its not so simple.
Oh yes, Bush sent stromg sophisticated weaponry.Rumor says he gave bunker busters.
The KKK? Gas chambers? Genocide? Are you seriously saying that the Jews were any more persecuted than Christians in Palestine? Are you seriously trying to lay any blame for the holocaust at the feet of the Palestinians?
WTF are you talking about?
If we said that the Kurds were terribly persecuted and needed their own homeland to protect themselves from future genocide and we decided that the best place to put that homeland was to chop Israel in half and give it to the Kurds. Then the Kurds moved in and kicked you out, how would you feel?
I’d feel that you were using the same bit of discredited rhetoric that’s trotted out and torn to pieces time and time and time again in this forum.
The land that was partitioned was partitioned along ethic majority lines. The Arab residents of the area, due to Turkish and British property laws, did not own much land at all. They did not have their territory ‘chopped in half’ and given to anybody, at all.
So other than the fact that your analogy has nothing to do with actual history, it’s great.
Actually, if the U.S. were to leave Iraq now, and the Kurds were to forge their own independent nation in Kurdistan, I say they should keep it - if they’re willing to fight for it. THAT would be a better analogy for what happened in 1948. As I’ve said a thousand times before, the British didn’t give anything to anybody. They just left.
(Incidentally, Sam you should differentiate between Jews and Christians under Arab rule, and Jews and Christians unde Ottoman rule, which up until 1917 included Palestine. Say what you want about the Turks, they were one of the most egalitarian empires ever. Sure, you had to be a Muslim to get anywhere in public service, but other than that they left you alone).
Unless you were Armenian I suppose…
-XT
Well that is just a flat out lie now isn’t it. It is your own cite provided earlier that shows the purchases by Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Yet in the face of evidence provided by your own self, you make a decision to lie about it? What’s up with that?
I mean
From your source:
On the other hand, I clearly did understate the relationship between the US and SA & Egypt. Nonetheless that is a semantic quibble, unless you wish to argue that those allies hold an equivalent position to Israel from the US pov.
It should be obvious, even to you, that the two links I provided were to refute your claim that Saudi Arabia and Egypt are not allies of the United States.
I could add a variety of unflattering adjectives to describe the process of dismissing one’s blunders with the excuse that they are merely “semantic”.
But it’s nice to see that at least on this occasion, you’re not anti-semantic. 
Fortunately, the irony sense is highly tuned, otherwise I’d perceive a couple of insults in there, where profound esteem is intended. Flattering as all this is, the real issue is the losses to the US should the relationship with Israel terminate. We should return to that.
Do you have anything to suggest that Israel would purchase fewer armaments? Not to get too particular with my words here, (although many of my best friends are semantic): That is, if the particular US/I relationship were to become on par with that of the US and say Saudi Arabia or Norway.
But the US/Israeli relationship is on par with the US/Saudi or US/Norway relationship. If anything, we have a closer military relationship, at least, with both Norway (mutual defense pact, through NATO) and Saudi Arabia (no formal defense pact, but until recently, US bases, and we defended the country during the first Gulf War)
Seems not. Thanks antechinus.
An interesting source, Sevastopol. Unfortunately I could not find on the “About Us” page a single name of any person involved in running the site or gathering the information. The site is supposedly run by Palestinian non-governmental organizations, but none of the organizations are identified either. Can you clarify who these people are?
If we knew, we might understand why they did not provide data (seen elsewhere in this and other threads) showing that U.S. military assistance and sales to Arab nations considerably exceeds that given to Israel.
My, aren’t you full of questions, which by the way I am always happy to answer. This is in stark contrast to the evasions my questions have met in this thread. With one or two exceptions, I do note. I took the source from a citation antechinus provided in the, stinger missile thread.(?)
“If we knew, we might understand why they did not provide data … showing that U.S. military assistance and sales to Arab nations considerably exceeds that given to Israel.” Probably because it does not? Meantime, my own questions languish, unanswered.