Literally, every time there looks to be a chance for peace, Arafat and his cronies do something to sabotage it. Why? Because of their political positions, of course. Should there be a lasting peace, their political power will be lost. Their relentless idea of destroying Israel is seriously derailing this “road-map to peace”. What kind of peace can there be so long as the Palestinian Authority adheres to Arafat and his cronies, as well as the other terrorist organizations within Palestine?: Mofaz: Arafat has given green light for terror
The Palestinians have not done a very good job in dismantling the terror organizations within Palestine, and with them not confronting Arafat about his support of more terrorist acts is yet another example.
Sharon and Mofez, however, defend and reassure their decision to hand over Kalkilya, Jericho, Ramallah and Tulkarm to the PA, despite the two recent teenage Islamic Jihad terrorist attacks. Just goes to show how tolerant Israel is and has been over the years, and their true motivation to reach peace with Palestine.
Even though Palestine should crack down on the terrorist organizations and those that support them – coughArafatcough – before receiving these towns, Sharon’s and Mofez’s stance on handing the towns over has resulted in “a noticeable effort by the Palestinians to rein in the Hamas and Islamic Jihad militant organizations”.
I think everyone in the area just wants peace with their neighbors after all (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Arafat and his cronies aside). Hopefully turning these cities over to the PA will pay off for Israel – after all they have already done for the PA despite the PA’s negligence to crack down on terrorism – in that the PA will finally commit to their part of the “road-map to peace”. If they do, this peace movement may actually work. I’m certainly not getting my hopes up, however. We shall see…
Krillian, stop it. All you’re doing is annoying people. You’re certainly not doing our cause any good.
If you want to be a part of this board, be a part of this. board. Stick around a bit, get to know the people, learn how this place works. If all you want to do is stick pamphlets under our windshield wipers then you should just leave, because nobody will care what you have to say. OK, pal?
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[li]I have the right to talk about whatever the hell I want to, whether it be the Palestinian and Israeli conflict or flying pink elephants. If you don’t like the subjects I speak about, don’t read my posts and look for others on the board. There’s every other subject imaginable on here (mine just happens to be the only one that shouldn’t be talked about, is that what you’re saying?),[/li][li]Just because I’m annoying you, doesn’t mean I’m annoying everyone. Some people actually care about what’s happening over there but don’t necessarily find the time (away from this board) to pick up the latest news. Sorry for annoying you. Next time I’ll be sure to control your mind and make you click on threads other than my own…[/li][li]You’re not following the rules. You either debate on what I have to say about what’s going on over there, or you don’t click reply. It’s that simple.[/li][li]Thank you for pointing out Mofaz, I was quickly typing. Though, however, I don’t appreciate the tone in which you did it. No one likes an arrogant jerk, ok?[/li][li]In sympathy to your annoyed mind (pitty, pitty…) I’m going to try and get to know everyone on here more and read and respond to other posts before I continue sharing my views as I have been. I don’t see how others on here are sharing their views without you jumping on their back like a monkey, yet my views aren’t welcomed. Just because the majority of people on this board are liberal, does not mean they don’t and can’t debate my view on the matter. Out of 30 some views, you’re the only one who replied…?[/li][/list=1]
Ok Alessan, thanks for the warning. Sincerely. I’ll take your advice at face value. Still, it’s a subject worth debating over…especially the future outcome of it. Do you not care to speak about your situation over there, is that it? Or are you being honest in that you “couldn’t care less”? That’s an awful shame if so.
Hmmm, I just read your previous thread. Since your comments amount to simple racism and insult, it doesn’t really seem worth anyone “debating” you at all.
The truth isn’t racism. It’s sad that there’s a double-standard to racism. Israelis can be called evil zionist Jews but the Palestinian terrorist groups can’t be called anti-Semites…funny how that works, isn’t it? But by all means, if you can’t debate me, don’t.
Did WalMart have a special on crates of straw men this weekend?
Hey, Krillan, go and look at some of the debates that have been had here about the Middle East over the last couple of years. Then come back and debate properly.
I know that there’s this huge internet war going on between organized groups of pro-Israelis and pro-Palestinians (which oddly enough, involve precious little actual Israelis or Palestinians). I just don’t don’t need to see it here, on my board.
Besides, it won’t work. People here’ll rip you to shreds and it’ll just make me look bad. One december is enough, thankyouverymuch.
That’s because, like Alfred, Lord Tennyson’s version of Sir Galahad, my strength is the strength of ten, because my heart is pure.
Still, I fully appreciate your help Krillan. Keep it up. the Straight Dope needs your input.
I remain pessimistic about the Roadmap. Like Oslo, it asks Israel to make real concessions, while ignoring the continued terrorism from the other side. This approach is likely to lead to contined terrorism and demands for additional Israeli concessions. IMHO. From the Palestinain POV, terrorism is being rewarded.
Note that Israel is exceeding the Roadmap’s demands by releasing large numbers Palestinian prisoners. The Roadmap doesn’t mention prisoner release at all. Meanwhile, the other side is falling short of their obligation to oppose terrorist attacks and to oppose terrorist groups. Abu Mazen may be operating with legitimate good will, but he seems to lack the power or the commitment to fulfill his side of the Roadmap.
Why is one december enough? Is more than one right-of-center person too much to handle by the leftists of this board?
I’m thinking this board is only about sharing liberal ideology [sic], not debating. If you’re a right-winger, God forbid you speak on this board or you’ll be ostracized and ignored…that’s it, isn’t it?
We’ll just have to see, jjimm. The above OP is me giving positive outlook with mild skepticism about the road-map to peace. But seriously, am I wrong in that the Palestinians are taught at a very young age that Israel is their enemy? If you think so, you’re quite an ignorant person. By the way, I vouched for the offensive attack against the Palestinian terrorist organizations, not Palestine. These terrorist groups obviously aren’t being thwarted as much as they should be from these peace talks and everything the Israeli’s have done for the road-map to peace (and more! I.E. release of prisoners – an obligation that’s no where to be found in the road-map documents)
No, you vouched for “wiping Palestine off the map”. It’s there in black and white, just above your last post. Make your mind up.
Hint: don’t paint with such a broad brush. The words “some”, “many”, or even “most” are your friends. One picture of a gun-toting tot does not an argument make.
The above OP, while relatively mild and thoughtful, is utterly devalued by the former OP in which you make no bones about your racism and desire for ethnic cleansing.
Just reading one extremist complaining about another extremist reminds me so much of 30 years of Northern Ireland. Nothing constructive here. Just the same old ‘someone else has got to do XXX cos they’re bad and we’re good‘.
In fact, I knew Irish Americans as zealous as you way back. Turned out it was all to do with their own personal emotion needs than the politics of the day. Kind of like suporting a fooball team but more. Not very helpful.
Dude, in situations like this, there is no middle ground; either you’re part of the solution or part of the problem. And your mind set is not part of the solution.
Krillan - FWIW I agree with Alessan that your style of posting is liable to alienate others - especially those who also happen to disagree with the contents.
It is not enough that you post facts and ideas that I agree with anyway - you (and I) must strive to post in such a way that we can perhaps persuade those who currently disagree with us (or are undecided). While substance is important, form is often more important - you need to get people to like you, to want to read what you say, perhaps even to want to be convinced by it.
I’m afraid you are not doing a terribly good job of it.
Face it - these debates are as much a PR arena as a fact-finding mission. in PR, your goal is to come over as the nice guy, and then present your view on the facts. But you have to be “The Nice Guy” first.
You certainly have a right to post as you wish, and I appreciate your concern for Israel, but I am asking you, please - for the good of our combined cause - do so in such a way that will be likely to arouse positive interest, rather than enmity, from other posters/readers.
To get back on topic - What Krillan said! (substance-wise, of course)
I refute that. I’m in no way racist, I’m just sick and tired of terrorism. Am I some kind of evil human being for wanting to see the end of the Palestinian terrorism and Israeli offensive alike? I’m simply pissed at the recent doings of the Palestinian terrorist groups…every time the peace-movement is headed in the right direction, it’s the Palestinian terrorist groups – not Israel – that somehow sabotages it. I just see the light jjimm, and you don’t. My statement to “wipe them off the map” was directed towards the terrorists, and I’m sorry if I didn’t specify that (even though every single one of my posts criticize and refer to the “terrorist groups” and not “the entire palestinian mass”). So don’t call me a racist again. I could just as easily say you’re an anti-Semite, but have I? No, I chose not to sink as low as you.
And regarding that picture…there’s a lot more where that came from my friend. Did you choose not to look in the background? Those are all children under the age of 16 that were training to attack Israeli “aggression” in the Gaza strip. You can’t deny it. And as a matter of fact, I believe I could link to 1,000 pictures of the same old ideas, and you’d still consider it ad hominem. That’s your own ignorance at work, and I won’t be able to change it. I’m done talking to you. You’ll never get it…
