Please let's go back to democratic elections in the U.S.A.

Elections in the U.S. are increasingly unreliable. Some vote miscounting is due to partisan mischief, some just due to incompetence. Even on the generally intelligent SDMB, some claim to disbelieve that voter suppression has statistical significance or is partisan-motivated.

Problems should get more media attention than they do. I’ve assembled a small number of representative news links about faulty voting machines and procedures. These barely scratch the surface. Click the links and read the articles – the brief excerpts I’ve provided as examples are not intended to be summaries.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9223613/U.S._Finds_Flaws_in_ES_S_DS200_Voting_Machine

http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/empire/2012/may/09/reports-find-machine-errors-led-uncounted-votes-2010/

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/12/30-2

ETA: Two more links I’d intended to include:

(Ohio voting machines have “experimental” patches.)

(Some Florida absentee ballots silently rejected.)

Can you believe that the supplier of the electronic voting machines will not make their software public? There is no way even of verifying it doesn’t have a systematic bias. And I have heard stories of election officials able to insert a USB stick at the beginning of election day and reprogram them.

In Canada (and, AFAIK, nearly all other countries) you vote for only one office–or possibly two–at a time and there is no reason to use anything but paper ballots and count them by hand. Or using the same sort of readers that read multiple-choice exams. (The reason for two is that in my municipality, you vote for mayor and councilman at the same time.) I still remember that the first time I voted–in Penna, in 1958) I was presented with a ballot (actually a mechanical lever machine) with maybe 30 different offices to vote for (and maybe a couple of questions). The thing is that the only people I knew anything at all about were the governor, state and national representatives and senators. So I case a party line vote, as do most people. Much better to reduce the number of offices people vote for and use paper ballots that can be counted and, if necessary, recounted by hand.

The idea that the voter ID laws have any purpose other than reduce the number of Democratic votes is fantasy. When Penna passed its law, some prominent Republican chortled that this would guarantee the state for the Republicans. It has now been suspended for this election and Penna is not counted as probable Democratic, but it will be back. Once such laws are passed in many states and SCOTUS approves them, there will be no way to go back since there won’t be enough Democrats elected to reverse them.

Moving from IMHO to Elections.

While I share the general sentiments of the OP, I’m not so sure things are worse than they used to be. Do we have evidence that our elections were once “better” than they are now? Maybe I’m just getting old, but when I see a reference to “Jim Crow South”, I’m reminded that it wasn’t very long ago that there actually was a Jim Crow South.

Let’s just take one part of one of those dumbass quotes:

Cite? Until solid proof is shown, we’ll just say bald-faced lie and leave it at that.

I, for one, find it amusing that the same people who in 2000 demanded electronic voting machines so we wouldn’t have to have an election decided by “hanging chads” again, are now demanding paper ballots because electronic voting machines could hypothetically be rigged.

Yes, it IS quite amusing that people are worried about the democratic process being subverted. LOL! ROFLMAO!!!

Who was demanding electronic voting machines?

Have you not visited GD in the past, oh, three years? :dubious:

Gang, the GOP has been subverting the democratic process for decades–ever since they lost in 1992. They just can’t believe that–after Ronald Reagan–the Democrats would ever win again; there’s a post at Hullabaloo today regarding Romney’s “poll watchers” in Iowa and other swing states which touches quite well on the history:

People were demanded electronic voting machines THAT LEFT PAPER TRAILS–optical scan, or touchscreen that printed confirmation, or something. As soon as the 2004 elections rolled around with completely unverifiable Diebold machines, everyone paying any attention knew this was a terrible solution to a real problem.

The only way to fix this is to have a Constitutional Amendment, again, that will protect voters with no ID, force all 50 states to get the federal government’s approval before gerrymandering and changing the voting process, make any election software open to at least the government, have a paper trail, and make consistent the voting process in all 50 states

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Who are these people? I don’t recall anyone asking for electronic voting to end the problem with chads. I do know that the left-leaning folks didn’t like electronic voting machines, becausre they thought them too open to tampering, and because the manufacturers of such machines were generally rightist supporters.

On the other hand, the rightist supporters of voting machines didn’tr, to my recollection, voice any objections about chads. If they did, they certainly wouldn’t now be the ones demanding paper ballots.

So I can’t think of any group that fits your criteria.

Nobody hates electronic voting machines more than I do. I honestly wish the entire country would go the way of Oregon and Washington and just do all mail-in voting. At the very least I wish all states would have no-excuse absentee voting as an option.

But, you aren’t going to convince anyone until the mainstream media makes a big fucking deal about how unreliable these voting machines are. Links from dailykos and such just aren’t good enough to convince people to do anything.

I fully support a constitutional amendment that would do the following:

  1. All federal-level elections would be run by the federal government, by federal employees (not elderly volunteers, and not at the county level effectively making it so that we have thousands of different elections for president)
  2. A federal level system where, upon reaching the age of 18, you are summoned down to get a free official federal ID card, that would be accepted everywhere as your ID, and would be required to vote.
  3. All forms of voting must be on physical paper. Electronic machines must leave a paper trail for each vote cast, created the moment each vote is cast.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=15654914

And oldie but goodie!
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm

  • he meant President Bush