Please Recommend a Spinning Wheel

I am a beginning hand spinner, and a somewhat spaastic spinner at that, but I have a good time and would like to get a spinning wheel.

I know almost nothing about spinning wheels, though I have pored over various websites devoted to the art of spinning and examined generic diagrams of wheels, etc.

Here is my spinning wheel wish list, and hopefully someone out there can point me in the right direction for further model-specific research:

Portability–I’d really like to take it out for a spin-in, or other local fiber-centric activities. I like the look of the Ashford Traveler, especially since the Joy is out of my price range, bringing us to wish list point #2:

Price– Around USD$300, as that seems to be a fair median, and this is something my husband wishes to get for me for my birthday and I don’t want him to have to spend too much.

Versatility–I’d like to be able to spin chunky to lace weight wool, and different fibers, from wool, alpace, silk, cotton, bamboo…

Ease of Use, Learning Curve–As I said, I am a beginner, so I need something which will sort of grow with me.

Last but not least, Looks– I fancy the old fashioned Saxony and Castle type wheels, like the Kromski Mazurka, the aforementioned Ashford Traveller–as modern looking as I want to get is the Lendrum folding wheel or the Majacraft Little Gem. I really don’t want one of those wheels made out of wheelchair parts, as charming as the idea is.

Also, as I am so new and there is so much info, would anyone care to distill for me the differences between double/single treadle and their importance, ratios, scotch tension, kate tension…?

There are so many beautiful spinning wheels out there–please help me choose!

I know absolutely SQUAT about spinning wheels. I wasn’t even aware you could still buy them! Gosharooty. I want to take some weaving classes this autumn and when I told the hubby I wanted to put up a loom he just shook his head and mumbled something about moving out to the garage with the dog.

I just finished The Age of Homespun (bout an hour ago) bt Laurel Thatcher Ulrich. Its about homespun textiles and early American history. I don’t know if its up your alley or not but I throw it out for your consideration.

Also Woman’s Work by Elizabeth Barber.

As a spinning and weaving teacher, my best recommendation is, if you can, go to a shop what has several different types of wheel – they should let you test them out. There are also shops, like the Mannings in East Berlin, PA, who offer anywhere from weekend to weeklong classes, and you live on site, and can try out many wheels.

I’ve worked at many textile trade shows, and am always happy to encourage a new spinner!

I started with an Ashford Traveller, and it was fab for me to learn and start with, as I had no clue! However, I soon outgrew it – the nice thing, though, is if you take care of your wheel, you can always sell it to another beginner!

At present I have a Spin-tech, as I do production spinning, but also a Jensen (left handed) saxony wheel, a charka wheel, and a colonial great wheel – I wouldn’t trade in any of them!
Anyway, that would be my advice – take a class where you can try many types of wheels and fibres.

Best wishes!

You got no money
you got no home
spinning wheel
all alone
talkin’ 'bout your troubles and you,
you never learn
Ride a painted pony
let the spinning wheel turn

Blood, Sweat and Tears
Sorry, I couldn’t resist!!

Krisfer the Cat, have you seen WEBS? They carry looms and other weaving equipment and have convinced me that weaving is way out of my price range. :wink:

This sounds very cool, although I am terminally shy. I just moved from the San Francisco Bay area to the San Diego Bay area and am smacking myself on the forehead everytime I ogle a wheel ad, read the distributor list, and see Carolina Homespun/Blue Moon Spinnery. I was right there!!! Heck, I saw her, and her demo wheels at Dixon’s Lambtown, and was too shy to ask to try!!! --Funny, to drive roughly two hours east to see a vendor who is forty minutes [in light traffic] south of one.-- At any rate, I suppose this shyness is too be overcome, as I imagine a wheel must be a really personal, gut-oriented (as in “feeling”) item.

An excellent point; I have noticed that the wheels I’ve seen sell on eBay have sold close to, or even over retail (after shipping especially, a situation which makes no sense to me, but who am I to judge) so depreciation of a well-cared for wheel seems not to be an issue.

Do you mind talking more about these wheels? Is the Spin-tech one of those electric ones? What niche does the charkha fill in your life–I have seen (Journey Wheel) ads, and pictures of Ghandi, but haven’t seen much else regarding them. And the colonial great wheel, what is that? Is that like the Rio Grande wheel of Weaving Southwest? Can you tell my main source of information/inspiration/confusion is Spin-off Magazine? :wink:

I am joining some yahoo spin lists to inflict my inquiry upon other innocents, please forgive me for the cross-posting if you are a member.

Ah, I see from further perusal of Spring 03 of Spin-off that Spin-tech is a mighty cool little whirling dervish of an electric “wheel,” but I leave my query unedited because I am also curious about “production spinning” and what it entails.

Crikey – I don’t mind answering questions about spinning, although I do apologise for boring the socks off anyone!

I used to subscribe to Spin Off, but let the sub go when it was getting a bit too repetative (my opinion only!); it’s hard to get back issues, but do try finding them in a library!

I was so shy when I went to inquire about spinning that I had to take someone with me, and I hid behind him the whole time; I’m a complete prat, I know! Got over that, soon enough – if you take any classes with more than one person (as opposed to private instruction), you’ll find the people are very friendly and forgiving. Everyone keeps the first skein he or she spins – it’s a terrific reminder!

My charkha is the one I use mainly for spinning very short haired fibres what would otherwise drive me bonkers. There is no tension on a charka, which means unlike a flier wheel, the charka spindle isn’t pulling the yarn on to itself. So when one has very fine, short, slippery fibres, this is very helpful! It’s used primarily for spinning cotton, although I usually spin cat fur on mine these days. I have one of the wee book charkas, and the first thing I did was strip the finish and refinish it – since the Indian climate is unkind to wood, those charkas made in India are literally drenched in varnish, and in my case, it was ‘maple’ so I had an orange box! After I stripped off all the gunk I had a nice pale brown box.

I would NOT recommend a charka as your first wheel.

My Great Wheel dates from around 1750, actually – I have seen pictures of the Journey wheels, but I have never used them. I use my Great Wheel to spin cotton because again it doesn’t have a ‘modern’ flier, just a quill spindle like the charka, and spins at a very high speed. I also use it to wind bobbins for when I weave as it winds things very quickly!

If I am in the mood to treadle, I use the Jensen saxony wheel, as it’s got a pretty fast ratio on it, but still not fast enough for cotton.

The Spin Tech is nice because it saves one’s legs when doing production spinning! It is still hand spinning cos all that is done with the motor is turning the flier – and I still have to control the speed and tension – and my hands are still doing the draft, gauging the twist. Unless you ever see yourself doing production spinning, I don’t know if this would be cost effective for you. I bought mine second hand for $500 (I think they are a little over $1000 new – when I found out a neighbour was selling hers, I pounced!)

No need to feel shy about asking to try a wheel! Of course everyone wishes to look at you, but I promise you, it’s not to mock or make fun – they really wish to see how it works, and they’re glad someone else was brave enough to try! With the right sort of person helping you, too, you feel quite relaxed. When I helped at a booth at trade shows, I usually demonstrated – and guys love spinning wheels. I used to have teenaged boys try them out, and the girls thought it was great, watching the guys. I think guys like them cos it’s a funky mechanical device, and all the parts are right there when you can see them working…

Some people will try to make you feel like a prat, but that’s usually their own insecurities showing, I’ve discovered! I had been weaving for some time when I decided to study at a prestigious artisan school, a group class, and at that time, I had had success entering and winning competitions, and also sales and commissions. So I thought, Ok, I can handle this!

Well, on the first day, listening to the ‘locker room’ talk of the other students, I thought, ‘No way! No way, game over, man, game over!’ and was literally going to walk out before the classes even started…surely you know where this is going – one woman and I ended up being bored out of our minds cos no one else in the class had a clue about even the most basic of things! Also, they all showed up with baskets with all these fancy weaving tools and bobbins; I showed up with pliers, hammer, screw driver, etc – I know my own loom, and sometimes nowt short of a flame thrower will tame it.

What I think is confusing you is that you have only been reading about this stuff – it really is hands-on…I have been doing handwork of one kind or another since age 5, but didn’t learn to spin until my late 20s, and at first I only read about it, and you know how you read about something and you think, ‘Crikey, everyone knows what they’re talking about!’ and that funny tight feeling you get in your stomach? Perfectly normal!

Maybe talk a friend into going with you to a shop to find out about classes, and you won’t feel as shy!

Nattering on – hope this has encouraged you!

cheers

PS – Don’t let anyone tell you there is a ‘wrong’ or a ‘right’ way to spin – there are efficient and unefficient ways, if that makes any sense.

You’ll see people argue whether long draw (which I do – I have a 6 foot long draw) is better than ‘push pull’ or short draw – whichever gets the best results! Long draw is almost unknown in northern Europe, and I spent some time in a guild there, and was spinning yarn as if I were ringing in the New Year (I’ve had people tell me I look as if I’m just pulling the yarn out of the fluff – not sure if this is a compliment, or not, but after watching me spin, my Mum wished to give it a try as she said if I made it look easy, it had to be! I’m afraid my spinning skills took Mum to the mat). They hadn’t seen anyone spin like this before, and at first thought I was mad as a balloon, (by the way, the expression in German for ‘you’re crazy’ is ‘Du spinst!’ or ‘You spin!’ as spinning was a common occupation for insane asylum inmates), but then decided I was okay, and quite possibly a tourist attraction. Spinning as a contact sport, I suppose.

On the other hand, I tend to wear a lot of leather and zips and vintage Carnaby Street clothing…if you go to trade shows, you’ll see this is not the usual costume for spinners…dressed this way once at a show, leather micro mini, 60s go go boots, etc., this one man, after watching me for about 15 minutes, blurted, ‘You don’t look like the kind of person who does this stuff!’

I said, ‘Hmmm…I’m dressed like this, I’m spinning on an 18th century Great wheel…ya never can tell!’

I came in to make the same reference Blonde did. It’s scary that two words like that can stir am obsure memory that old.

Wow! Me too! Gotta love those BS&T horns!

Ms. Boods, I wrote a long response which was apparently eaten by the hamsters (so, an online equivalent of “the dog ate my homework?”) but all the words boiled down to this:
thank you so much for your well-considered responses. I was going to drop you an e-mail privately, but you have sensibly restricted your e-mail address, so I can just hope that you have subscribed to the thread and will get it. Or perhaps I’ll run into you on the Spin-List.
I have ordered a Kromski Mazurka and can’t wait to get started, though I am very nervous as every time I picked up the drop spindle this weekend it went horribly awry.
Thanks again!
WDB
(tortadetortuga on the yahoo groups)

Someone is waiting just for you
Spinnin’ wheel, spinnin’ true
Drop all your troubles by the riverside
Catch a painted pony on the spinning wheel ride…

I am so sorry for the hijack - it’s just that, well - Blood, Sweat and Tears were amazing. Best of luck to y’all! I admire those who are “crafty” - I put together a mean gift basket, but other than that my skills pale in comparison to yours…
Must hear Mama Told Me Not to Come tonight…wait, no, I Can’t Leave Her or Hi De Ho or When I Die…

Of course I know that Mama Told Me Not to Come was composed by Three Dog Night, not Blood Sweat and Tears.

Now I have hijacked this thread 3 times. :smack:

Sorry, ladies!