And yet he was more than willing to take the woman’s gubmint-issued social security check every month…
I completely agree. We shouldn’t denigrate the actions of all child sex traffickers just because one of them happens to be a sovereign citizen.
If that’s how you interpret my posts, then I’ve got to assume that you are the stupidest person I have ever encountered on this board. And you’re up against some stiff competition.
Not anymore. Louisiana used to have the death penalty for child rape, but that was struck down by SOTUS a few years ago. Treason, espionage, & large scale drug trafficking are still capital crimes under federal law. Some states have still have their own treason laws, but nobody’s been convicted of treason in a state court since John Brown.
Right.
We should instead associate Sovereign Citizens with incidents like this.
Note that the explosive involved in this, uh, tragic accident was triacetone triperoxide (TATP), used in the Paris attacks last year. Apparently it is not the kind of stuff you want to mess around with in your kitchen.
I read this as Soviet Citizens, and thought back to Cold War days. And then wondered, do other countries have ‘Sovereign Citizens’?
I know England does, I’ve seen them on youtube. What about other countries, or other parts of the world besides Europe?
No,no – you ask them if they chose to enter joinder with him.
Canada. The best part is they still try to cite U.S. contract law.
Sadly the virus has spread. Outside the US and Canada you have Great Briton and pretty well all of the common wealth countries and I’ve recently read of eruptions in Germany and Austria (UCC filings and all).
The Sovereign Citizen ideas are by their very nature anti-social and narcissistic. The idea that you can just choose not to be bound by the rules of society because you’re so special and figured out some secret code phrases is a very dangerous one. Turn it around and it makes perfect sense that sociopaths who weren’t going to to obey societies laws choose the Sovereign citizen philosophy as a way of justifying their actions.
So yeah its perfectly valid to judge all SovCits as potentially violent and dangerous nutballs. They completely reject the social contract the rest of us accept, and they do so publicly, they deserve to be treated with extreme caution.
Offtopic: I never got “Briefly Tempting.” You’d think the last one would be horrible, but it’s just anti-war.
Frank, did you miss the people upthread who were mocking the very idea of the shit you posted?
This is the point of the movement–to live in a lawless way. They don’t need any defense.
No death penalty.
Of course it is. Their attitude is that people can do whatever the hell they want and enter into any agreements they want as long as the parties can enforce it themselves. This definitely leads to slavery in the end via coercion of one sort or another, and once you’re locked in someone’s basement and changed to a pole you’re out of luck. Yes, it’s an extreme form of the philosophy but that won’t stop it from being done by the extremist minority you already find when you get a group of people.
^ This.
Give Frank a break. He’s just going though his Briefly Tempted stage and wants to defend the path he’s considering. It’s a fling. He might come back to his senses before he embarrasses himself too much.
This is hilarious: http://www.amazon.com/Sovereign-Citizens-Cut-Out-Kit-1-0/dp/1469907801
…aaaanyway, I wonder if once he’s at the State Pen how will he feel about establishing joinder with the Department of Corrections vs. establishing it with any of the fine rulemaking mutual-aid organizations among the general population of the institution. 'cause none of them are gonna let him decline politely under the terms of the Code of Commerce.
Oh, that one’s easy. Both have a common core of “the government has been taking what’s rightfully ours all along. We owe it nothing.” Thing is, I suppose, the normal Black Nationalist fringe movements tend to seek an actual separate government that will STILL have laws against keeping abductees in your basement or seizing your neighbor’s house while he’s off on vacation. So instead these putzes decide to go SovCit.
Yeah, but we all agree that the whole Income Tax thing is a fraud perpetrated on the American citizenry, right?
I honestly can’t figure out if that’s a parody or not…
I’d say that sociopaths are attracted to a philosophy that would let them get away with their actions. It’s not that sociopathy is a result of a belief in sovereign citizenship - it’s that sovereign citizenship is a result of sociopathy.
See if they accept payment against your secret Treasury account. 
Do they tell themselves and each other that in reality the “secret password” crap works, and that “the government-run media” is only lying about how it never works and everyone trying it is getting fined and/or going to jail?