I had a few prisoners tell me that didn’t recognize my authority to give them orders. So I’d spray tear gas in their face. Turns out everyone recognizes tear gas.
Did they choose to enter joinder with the tear gas?
Surely it must work once in a while! :rolleyes: The RationalWiki article “Freemen On The Land” has a seemingly comprehensive listing of successful cases!
NATURE! The laws of NAYYYY-TURRRRRRE! We must get back to…PRIMEVAL INTEGRITY!!!
Works for me, I was physically abused and I have absolutely no tolerance for abuse of women in any form … I would have no issue either loaning one of the imprisoned women my sidearm or popping him myself if he were declared fully outlaw.
Isn’t that distressingly similar to joking about “deserved” male-male prison rape or applauding the guy who trashed Jared Fogle because he doesn’t like kiddie-diddlers? I ask because, though I thought Fogle’s incident was funny but not unexpected, some people here are nicer than I and may object.
A handful in Norway. Most famously this nutter: http://www.sigurdsdatter.com/establishment-of-niceland-as-sovereign-territory.html
She, or whomever she got the pseudolaw from, chose to replace the “real” US constitution with the old Norwegian law of Christian IV to argue their sovereignty. Yeah, I’m sure the law set down by an absolute monarch holds provisions for resigning from society …
Last I checked, Louisiana would put you to death for child rape which seems supremely stupid. It’s like saying “Hey rapists! don’t leave any witnesses!”
They have some interesting notions of “victory”,
http://losethename.com/sams-police-interaction/
…coupled with some run of the mill ignorance of what the law actually requires:
http://losethename.com/traveling-without-legal-name/
There are lots of other examples at that “victories” site.
Why? If he is outlaw, it would be legal - prison rape isn’t. And popping him would be fast, I knew some women in my group therapy bunch who would have happily chained him in their basement and taken him apart slowly and painfully over months. I was only physically abused for the 3 months it took me to extract myself from a bad situation[though some facets of the PTSD has hung around for almost 30 years despite therapy], some of the women in my group were abused for years. I will admit I am not fond of people who abuse children or women either physically, mentally or sexually, but I wouldn’t torment them - though a double tap to the back of the head is not out of the question if it were legal IMHO. Sorry if you don’t feel that way, I do hope that neither you nor any of your friends or kin get abused - though that might change your opinions <shrug>
Now I have to find that movie.
I’m glad you made your general point, but there’s a bright line here which we don’t want miss. The whole ideology of Sovereign Citizenry exists to paper over criminality. The great portion of these nuts engage in or defend exclusively non-violent crimes like fraud. But it shouldn’t surprise us if some use the same conceptual machinery (such as it is) to justify violent crimes. Or any crime. So it’s not just a smear - if you can say the nation’s law doesn’t apply to you, that’s going to apply to all laws.
That’s not to say that most Sovereign Citizens will condone violence. But I think it is fair to observe that they haven’t spent a lot of time addressing that implication of their stated views. Unlike, say, radical libertarian or even anarchist nuts. Sov Cit views are pretty toxic.
You, and other posters above who have made similar arguments, have convinced me. I am wrong.
But see, the great thing about Sovereign Citizens is that since they make all their own laws within the confines of their own sovereign nation bounded by the four walls of the tarshacks in which they reside, explosives like this are perfectly legal! So is meth and heroin, which Sovereign Citizens frequently enjoy while assembling said explosives. It’s a bit of a bummer for the neighbors, but the bright side is that Darwinian principles come into play. I’m sure that a great many distinguished Sovereign Citizens are prime candidates for the Darwin Awards which are, by definition, awarded posthumously.
Anyone else notice just a teeny, tiny disjunct between his 2nd and 3rd sentences?
Why does he need to ask?
It’s The Taser. The really sad thing is how many of these videos are out there. Or funny, depending on how much you enjoy watching people getting tasered for being idiots.
From the taser link, I ran into this one: Sovereign Citizen "Traveler" Hands Over His Driver's License at Traffic Stop - YouTube
It’s a traffic stop for an expired registration. Nothing especially remarkable about it (and no tasering) but it’s fun to watch the extremely patient cop’s approach to dealng with the guy’s mumbo jumbo.
Another traffic stop without taser. Remarkable considering her voice will make your ears bleed.
Yes, unlike being Republican, Democrat, Green, Rap Music Fan, etc., the Sovereign Citizen notion is *fundamentally *about evading the jurisdiction of the Law and of the government established under it – not even about overthrowing it and replacing it with a better one. Sure, it originates out of not wanting to pay taxes or submit to regulations on your property and livelihood activities, but it’s easy to see how the truly antisocial elements will readily reach for it as a figleaf to gunk up the works when put on the spot.
Probably just being polite. Seriously.
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