Police response during mass shooting event {Not Gun Control, 2nd Amendment or Politics}

Uvalde Texas police salary and duties

" Protect Uvalde Citizens

One of the major duties of a cop includes taking care of citizens. They are supposed to prevent them from any harm. To do so, they are permitted to wound or shoot a potential attacker who may injure the police or the populace. Thus, they have the primary right to bear arms. They have the option of calling for reinforcements if the situation deteriorates. Sometimes they might also have to deal with explosives and if possible, disarm it themselves."

Median Police pay: $60, 000

I thought that was specialist work.

I’ve posted on many police-related topics before but this one in which I have a particular interest, if not an expertise. I was on a SWAT team for years and currently train police recruits in many areas including response to an active shooter. Here is my take on what is being reported so far:

First, and I can’t emphasize this enough, initial reports are often inaccurate. Social media has compounded this problem. People tend to believe the first thing they hear on any given topic and getting them to change their mind can be almost impossible. The current state of politics in this country is evidence enough but it holds particularly true in the case of critical incidents. The police need to release information that they know is accurate but ensuring correctness of information takes time. It can be frustrating to the public to hear, “Its under investigation” when they want answers right now.

Edit: In the few hours since I started typing this a more detailed timeline has been released and is linked somewhere above. Within two minutes, “cowardly” officers were at the closed and locked door to the classroom and two received graze wounds from shots fired through that door. In that two minute period the killer fired more than 100 rounds into one or two classrooms. Let me pause here to say that getting through a locked classroom door without breaching tools or a key is very difficult. Rifle rounds will pass through such a door and soft body armor with ease. Shooting the lock as depicted on TV and in movies without proper breaching rounds is a fantasy. Part of hardening our schools is making it difficult for a shooter to get into a room. Unfortunately, the door can’t tell the difference between good guys and bad guys.

I sounds like 16 rounds are fired between 11:37 and 11:44 in five distinct events. In the briefing, the spokesman says it is believed that the killer was firing at the door. Imagine being outside that room, unable to make entry and hearing gunfire and not knowing if he is shooting more children or shooting at you or others. (Although, I submit it would difficult to know where shots are going from a rifle being fired at close range from behind a closed door. Its extremely loud and you are probably trying to avoid being hit). What are they supposed to do? Fire blindly through the door? If they did that and ended up killing a child, they would be crucified. “Shouldering” such a door would be useless and expose you to more rifle fire. It may turn out that all the victims were shot in the initial 100+ shot attack and there was no one left alive in the room. That may never be known.

This is a no win situation for the cops. Killing may be going on right on the other side of a locked door and you are powerless to stop it. This isn’t lack of courage, its lack of options. It can be argued that it took too long to get a key to the team at the door. I’d agree with that. It is not cowardice on the part of the officers.

Now, on to the specifics of the response. Ideally, officers should go in immediately to stop an ongoing shooting and, in this case, they did. Yes, they get paid to put their lives on the line but that doesn’t mean standing in front of a door as someone is shooting at you through that door. What I’m saying is that there are limits to “Enter and stop the shooter”. A clear suicide mission is not a viable option. We don’t train to do human wave attacks on fortified positions.

When I train officers I ask them, “If your kid was in there, what would you do? Wait two minutes for back-up or go?” They all say, “I’m going in.” Then I say, “Well, now its somebody else’s kid and that’s what you get paid the big bucks for.“ The reality is that parents have a bond with their own children and will act out of emotion rather than logic. Apparently, an off-duty cop went in with a borrowed shotgun to get his own child and many others out of harms way. You might run into a building engulfed in flames to save your own kids but are you going to do that for someone you’ve never met? We expect and, in fact, demand police to act without emotion. For active killers, we attempt to train officers to change their mindset from “I might have to take a life, if necessary” to “I need to use deadly force as a first resort to stop a slaughter”. Flipping the switch from the (rightfully) publicly-demanded “de-escalate” to “hunter-killer” is no mean feat.

The training is that you go to the sound of the shooting as fast as you can and neutralize the threat. However, if the shooting stops, you slow down and proceed a bit more deliberately unless you are certain of the shooters location. There could be many reasons the shooting has stopped - he has fled, he is re-loading, his weapon has malfunctioned, he is looking for more victims, he has killed himself, he is setting an ambush, he is hiding or barricaded (with or without hostages). In the event of a barricade, the tactic has generally been to lock it down and begin negotiations. This is very rare in an active shooter situation. Until now, I can’t think of a single time (other than the Dallas ambush and there were no victims, alive or dead with him) that it has happened. If more killing is imminent or is happening, you go back to hunter-killer mode.

Yes, injured need to be rescued but not at the cost of more victims. The concept of a rescue task force is now being trained. This involves specially trained medics entering a “warm” zone with police providing security to triage and treat victims in place. It’s a delicate balance and easy to Monday morning quarterback.

Finally, behavior in critical incident can be contagious. Inaction breeds inaction and action breeds action. If the leadership in Uvalde failed, blame needs to be laid. However, it is best to wait until the facts are in and avoid speculation. We simply don’t know enough at this point to reach any conclusions. From what was released at the briefing, I don’t see a lack of courage on the part of police but more of an inability to breach the locked doors in a timely manner. Although, it may have been too late already.

There are plenty of people posting here about the failure of the cops. I’d like to know what you think they should have done. Don’t just say, “Gone into the room right away”. Say how.

P.S. – Its been announced that the shooter walked in through an unlocked/propped open door. That is a failure at the most basic level that happens every day at almost every school. I predict that the teacher that left that door unsecured is going to suffer rather severe psychological problems and likely get death threats and all sorts of other public ridicule from the actual cowards sitting behind their desks and typing away.

The are policemen. We hired, trained, and equipped them to do their job. They agreed to that arrangement. They did not do what they said they would do. They are dishonorable.

Thank you for your insights and your thoughts.

I didn’t catch every single word of today’s press conference. Are you aware of whether or not the ‘two classroom suite’ had any other points of ingress egress besides doors to the hallway ?

IOW, were there windows to the outside ? Back doors to the outside ? Do we know, for example, whether a sniper could possibly have gotten a good look and a clear shot ?

Also, aren’t there fairly fast, fairly effective means to breach a door besides ‘looking for the janitor and borrowing his keys ?’

I’m thinking …

Again: thanks for your contribution to the discussion.

Everyone should read @MikeF’s post before going any further.

It was a thoughtful, informative post. Absolutely. And if police were outside handcuffing parents who wanted to get in because the police weren’t going in, someone’s (Not Mike F) got some explaining to do.

Well-argued… but how to reconcile this with the mea culpa of Texas’s top law-enforcement officer?

But they weren’t. We know now that they were, in fact, inside the building but unable to get in the classroom because the police chief apparently wouldn’t let them get the master key.

What I don’t yet understand is why the police chief thought they had time. Was he not told of the desperate 911 calls those kids were making?

OK, “going in” doesn’t mean merely entering the building. It means confronting the bad guy. And any cop who was outside putting cuffs on a parent… Yeah, nevermind. I’ll just leave before I get a warning.

What about the officer who went in and got HIS kid out. While the cops outside were busy detaining the other parents. Who stood and watched the cops dither for 40+ mins.

I fully expect a future such episode, to involve cops shooting parents, who arrived armed and willing to storm in and do what the cops won’t.

Why would they listen to, or wait for, police action ?

Do you mean the off-duty cop who was at the barber when he got a frantic call from his spouse? The off-duty cop who rushed down there and got his kid and a bunch of other kids to safety?

What an asshole, right?

I’ve looked at the school through Google street view, and I think I know where this occurred. There are windows, but I’m not sure you could get through them. Not sure about snipers. I don’t see any exterior doors.

This is a capture of the other side of the building where I think it happened. I’m guessing the other side looks similar.

No, but it’s funny how he didnt get handcuffed for “impeding an investigation”, isn’t it?

Worth less, no, but it’s part of what he signed up for when he became a police officer. If he hasn’t the stomach for it, he should find another line of work.

I posted this yesterday in the breaking news thread, linking David Grossman’s essay, “On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs.”

The nickname for the NY Fire Department comes to mind: « New York’s Bravest ».

I heard one firefighter explain it: « The bravest thing we ever do is sign the contract. Everything after that is just our job. »

If you don’t want to run into a building where you might stop a bullet, don’t sign up for a job where you might have to run into a building and stop a bullet.

If you think people actually sign contracts that obligate them to give up their lives you are mistaken. However if that is what you think police officers should do then I can’t blame you for having that impression because it spread by the police themselves, even though it is not at all what police officers are required to do.

I’ll put it to you this way, if there is a situation where you might be shot and killed do you think a police officer should jump in and take a bullet meant for you because he signed up for it? I won’t presume what your answer will be. You can explain it to me.

Yes, I believe he should be expected to do the job he agreed to do.

Good thing that is not what he agreed to do. It would be an unconstitutional agreement, and an unconscionable one as well.

I’ll put it to you this way. If those teachers had jumped out of the window, leaving the 20 children behind with the gunman, would you have been okay with their choice?

I know that’s not a fair analogy. The teachers are trained in the use of math manipulatives, not firearms. They’re likely to be wearing denim skirts, not body armor. They took a job to teach vowel blends, not a job to protect the populace.

But they would have faced nearly universal condemnation if they’d valued their lives the way the cops valued theirs.