Not really. Or didn’t you read the many, many other posts in this thread that make a distinction between oppressed minorities and unoppressed minorities?
People with freckles are a minority, too. But that doesn’t meant that “Forget the people with freckles, it’s the T-Rex’s that are the dummies of the world” is part of a Hollywood conspiracy to make everyone think freckles make you a moron.
So you’d expect it to be true to reality if it were a WHITE comedy? RACIST!
Can’t believe I missed that. US News has obviously never been to Chicago. Chicago politics may not be ruled by Polish-Americans, but they’ve certainly got clout. I mean, fuck, goddamn Pulaski Day is a city holiday. That’s right, we have a parade and city schools and county government offices are closed for Casimir Pulaski day. The Irish-Americans may be the most clout-heavy around here, but even the city schools stay open for St. Patrick’s Day.
There’s got to be a good Polish joke to follow that line…
Kathy Kinney, who played Mimi on The Drew Carey show and who you called a “disgusting slob,” is from Stevens Point, WI, which has quite a large Polish population, not to mention a Polish Heritage Highway, a sister city in Poland, and a neighboring town called Polonia.
I was going to suggest that maybe she’s Polish herself and took the propensity of Polish people to tell Polack jokes a step further by incorporating a joke into the show. But, according to Wikipedia, she’s of Irish decent (so probably a drinker). It’s safe to guess she probably heard her Polish classmates telling Polack jokes growing up.
Speaking of you calling her a “disgusting slob,” fat people catch much more hate in the media than the Poles, but you apparently don’t have a problem perpetuating that.
That’s your assumption and I can easily just as well assume that maybe she hated the Poles in her city so that’s why she had no problem portraying one badly. Not that I’m necessarily saying thats the case.
As for your notion, that’s just speculation on your part. Just because a city has a large Polish population that doesn’t mean its the predominant population. Many cities with large Polish populations are still much less then half of the city’s population (her city is about 1/4 Polish) so its hard to tell what people she got her influence from. She could have been influenced by the producer of her Drew Carey show or she could of broke up with a Polish boyfriend in her city and hated him afterwards. Who knows. This all speculation.
But for arguments sake, lets say what you said is true and that she heard some Poles telling some anti-Polish “Polack jokes” in her town.
So you say that if some Poles tell anti-Polish “Polack jokes” it makes it OK?
So then is it OK for people to tell Anti-Jewish “Kike jokes” because some Jews tell them? Is it OK for people to tell anti-Black jokes (or use the N-Word) because some Blacks say it? Its OK to tell anti-Italian “Wop jokes” because some Italians say it, etc?
Well thanks a lot.
Where did I say Mimi Bobeck was a slob because she’s fat? Mimi Bobeck appeared to be a slob because of her vulgar disgusting talk and how she carried herself. I also thought Michael Stivic of “All in the Family” appeared to be a slob and he isn’t fat. Especially when he would eat and have food drooling out of his mouth.
There are many fat people who aren’t slobs. I’m afraid you’re the one associating and perpetuating, being fat with being a slob.
We see what your talking about but we’re just pointing out the double standard.
It was also Will Ferrell’s condescending comments about how he would be “honored if there was a backlash from Poles” He wouldn’t say that about Blacks or Jews. In 2009 Blacks and Jews are not being oppressed the way they once were years ago. You have Jews and Blacks who have done very well in government and all other industries. For goodness sake, we have a Black US President. If most people were oppressing Blacks today there would be no Black president.
And Jewish people I know don’t want to be known as "victims of historical US anti-semitism " TODAY IN 2009.
Only the stupidest of stupid would believe Anti-Jewish jokes portraying Jews as “swindling rats” or Blacks with the anti-Black stereotype of “being like apes” yet we still definitely would not allow these and rightfully so.
But their OK if they originated outside of the US in Nazi Germany and told to Polish Catholic Auschwitz Survivors like Michael Preisler in Auschwitz and other Poles who were abused if not killed there?
But as for this whole topic, don’t worry we’re coming to the end of it…(fingers crossed)
Of all the shit you’ve strewn in this thread, this is the one that has any truth to it, as in: I haven’t heard a Polish joke in years, except the one in the OP. You are manufacturing outrage based of things said DECADES AGO, except for that one. Ferrell should be Pitted for using a joke that is DECADES obsolete. It’s like mother in law or airline food jokes, except some people still find those funny.
Are you saying these are only stupid unbelievable jokes so ethnicity doesn’t count?
Or, are you saying that ethnicity does count, and that is why you have to take “the weight of historical oppression” into mind?
You can’t suck and blow at the same time.
Oh, wait, you can and do suck and blow at the same time: It’s just a joke and not “ethnic” if you are deriding Polish people, but it is prejudice if you deride certain other minorities.
You must be a really big fan of Orwell’s Animal Farm, especially the pigs’ contention that, “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
Ah, “many, many other posts” that make a distinction. Last time I heard this argument, I was in high school: “Eat shit, 20 million flies can’t be wrong.”
But I guess from you say, you are among those here who argue that it’s acceptable to make slurs against certain minorities but not acceptable to make them against other minorities.
At least you aren’t contending that they are victimless “jokes” like knock-knock jokes, which was said earlier by another defender of these slurs. You’re saying that it depends who the victim is, right? It’s OK to deride some, not OK to deride others.
No prejudice there.
Hey, Moderator!
Oh, I guess it’s OK for someone to side with the Nazis here – only 6 million Polish nationals were killed in the Second World War, so “making fun of the intelligence of Poles” is hilarious.
Seems to meet the same standard as an earlier poster who called another “pretty stupid” and went on with “Must have had some Polish blood in them.” That apparently was not counter to the Registration Agreement rule not to post “any material that you know or should know is … defamatory … abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing…” Posters are also told to “remain civil. Hate speech, insults, and purposely inflammatory remarks (i.e., trolling) will not be tolerated.”
How do these avoid an admonition from a Moderator? Easy. The Moderator gets to define what is defamatory, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, hate speech, insults and purposely inflammatory remarks. Omnipotence, if not omniscience, is mandated at the end of the Agreement: “… we reserve the right to exclude you at our whim, for any or no reason whatsoever.”
Equating ethnic slurs to knock-knock jokes gives a clue to the level of even-handedness and sensitivity at the administrative level. As does, “Are Polish jokes back in style again? … When did they go out of style?”
Nope. All clear. No prejudice here, Captain. Because the Moderator says so!
Sure, a lot of Polish nationals got killed during the war. Some even cheerfully helped the invaders when it came time to eliminate their former neighbors. Those ones literally took the side of the Nazis.
I mention this only because the rhetoric has transformed into bullshit.
White Eagle you better duck now for speaking out that way. LOL They’re now going to start coming out for ya. lol
Yes what you say is true. Its the old double standard. Its so arbitrary as to who you can use insult humor on and who you can’t. So OK they say you can’t use insult humor on “protected ethnic groups” but frankly I don’t think Will Ferrell AFTER making his movie would have made his condescending comments against a Non-Protected ethnic group, had his movie comment been about them. This whole thing is not about the Will Ferrell movie in (and his condescending comments about how he would be “honored” if there was a backlash from Poles) and of itself, but in the context of an accumulation of this type of Anti-Polish bias over the years, albeit they have been on the decline and aren’t like they used to be.
Well if you feel you have to resort to this kind of negative innuendo against Poland now because you “don’t like the rhetoric and that it has transformed into bullshit”, why don’t you go to another topic and then you won’t have to read it?
So you’re now trying to diminish what the Poles went through in WWII because of what a tiny percentage of Poles may have done? Because you “don’t like the rhetoric your reading”?
That sounds so nasty on the face of it, I must be misunderstanding. You surely can’t be offhandedly dismissing 6 million dead human beings and could not be so callous as to defend a poster who says he is getting close to siding with the Nazis who killed most of them.
And as for Polish nationals “cheerfully” helping the invaders when it came time to eliminate their former neighbors - that is a really low blow. Yes, there may have been some in the Judenrat, Ordnungsdienst, Granatowa policja and similar Nazi-mandated organizations who may have more willingly assisted with rounding up their neighbors and turning them over to the oppressors, but most if not all of the “members” acted under compulsion by the occupiers. They did only what they had to, to avoid immediate death themselves. Some may have actually helped others of their neighbors, at least their own families, by appearing to co-operate with the oppressors. To say that they “literally took the side of the Nazis” is very cold.
As I say, no doubt I have misunderstood. Also, I am unclear which rhetoric you deem “bullshit”.
Is it the rhetoric defending ethnic slurs?
The slurs themselves, which so many people have posted under the protective mantle of “humor”?
The support of discrimination between different minority groups?
Someone saying that he is getting close to siding with the Nazis?
Or was it challenges against any or all of the above that finally spurred you to speak up?
If you are adding your voice to the call for equality, decency and harmonious relations between minorities then I salute you.
On the other hand, if you are looking at your reflection and not liking what you see, why would you so viciously attack someone holding up the mirror rather than clean up your act?
Surely you’re not equating a few silly jokes told by school children and loutish characters on TV with discrimination in hiring, education, and voting rights, people being beaten up, killed and tortured for being who they are? I must be misunderstanding.
He said “I would be flattered if there was [blowback].” I believe he means he’d find it funny if the joke were misunderstood, to which I can only say he would probably find your post flattering - since you’ve failed to understand the joke.
There are characters on TV who make much more prejudiced jokes about Jews and blacks.
In your desperation to bring up the Holocaust again, you have neglected make sense. Jokes about Poles lack historical weight in the U.S. because there’s no record of mass murder against Poles in the U.S.
Pretty much.
Again, please check the rules here. You may be intensely devoted to your cause, but you are expected to follow the same rules as everyone else.
If you wish to accuse me of hypocrisy, I suggest you try proving it rather than just asserting it. You, US News Review and MsSwitac have repeatedly attempted this kind of thing - starting with the “Would that have been tolerated if he had insulted the black race?” line in the OP - but never gotten around to supporting it.
I prefer Huxley.
If you wish to complain about the moderating, take it to ATMB. As it is, your refusal to take Ferrell’s (unfunny) joke in context has made for an absurd and repetitive thread.
My point wasn’t “everyone says it so it must be right,” it was “your contention has already been discussed and dismissed.”
Unfortunately, White Eagle and US News Reviews, you two bear all the halmarks of the best conspiracy theorists: your positions are non-falsifiable, and any evidence brought to bear will be ignored or twisted to fit your own bizarre little Weltanschauung.
