Yeah, there’s always someone, in matters of language, who says THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY AND THIS WAY IS RIGHT, AND IT HAPPENS TO BE MY WAY AND THE WAY I WAS TAUGHT!! and they are always wrong. Always.
I don’t hate IPA. I hate the fact that when I was in college I knew it, but those brain cells have died. Probably due to all the drinking I did in the early 80s.
Thank you.
I figured that’s what you were thinking.
Eh? I don’t understand the raised eyebrow. I’m not commenting on you – I don’t think you think there’s only one way to pronounce the word, hence the poll. Or am I misunderstanding?
(And I should amend my statement – it’s not always one person – it’s often many people, as dialect and idiom threads on the Dope have shown in the past.)
ah, the map in your cite threw me, I thought you were talking speciically about the UK.
USA english may well be different, I’ll bow to wiki’ssuperior collective knowledge.
Yeah, it’s one of those pronunciations that when I hear it, I have a reasonable idea of where in the world the English speaker is from, even if I don’t know the particulars of the sundry British accents. It’s like how I can spot a Canadian accent a mile away (if they have the merest hint of Canadian raising in their accent.)
Well I don’t really know, that’s sort of the problem.
The words used in options 1 and 2, to me at least, aren’t as obviously distinguishable as the different ways of pronouncing book.
The video that’s linked by Grrr has the two vowel sounds/pronunciations we’re talking about.
Or here’s an American “push”:
And here’s an American “slush”:
Those are two distinct vowels to me and represent the vowels in the OP, but it’s possible you don’t hear the distinction as much, since your dialect treats them as an allophone.
Indeed I do, the pronounciation designated as “UK male” is by no means the standard in my experience. It is common enough but not ubquitous.
I got the impression that you thought THIS thread was going to be one of those situations where I would wait for poll results then categorically state that only one of the options was correct and everyone who didn’t choose that one was wrong. IOW you seemed to be braced for a fight here:
“File a protest” (presumably with me, the OP) struck me as unnecessarily belligerent.
No, I did not think you were going to do that at all. Why would I? My response was a follow-up to Hari’s interpretation of kaylasdad’s post, basically as a way of agreeing with him and saying “there’s always one in every crowd.”
Well the map hows you where it’s supposed to be standard and where it’s not. The “UK Male” pronunciation, I presume, is supposed to be RP English. Most of my English friends are from the London area or south, so they pronounce it as in the video.
If things get any more heated, I’d be happy to hold onto anyone’s’ glasses.
I’m sure they do, but of course the vast majority of the area that sits outside of that would bristle at any suggestion that “RP” is a definitive representative of how british english is spoken
I apologize to everyone. I got confused. Sorry.
Going through some sad events. Not an excuse, but possibly an explanation for my mushy-headedness. Pronounce it any way you want to.
Right?
I prefer to drink IPA. This secret code stuff just makes me feel like I wasted my time learning Braille when I could have been learning IPA instead.
Well, I like you too much as a poster to get in an argument about it, so let me just apologize for my clumsy attempt at humorous faux arrogance.
I shall endeavor to improve and do better in the future.
Here are the pronunciations of pushy and slushy in U.S. and southern England accents, which are similar:
How to pronounce PUSHY in English
How to pronounce SLUSHY in English
But in the N of England, the distinct vowel sound of southern slushy does not exist - it is pronounced the same as pushy above.
The slightly idiosyncratic one in England is indeed the word mushy, which in the south I think would otherwise tend to be pronounced like slushy, but out of familiarity with mushy peas as a traditional northern dish, often tends to be pronounced in the northern manner.
Oh, absolutely. Y’all are such a hodgepodge of dialects and accents all tightly compacted – it’s pretty awesome. I love listening to all the flavors and colors. (My favorite is Glaswegian. There’s just something so delightfully musical about it.)
I like the way Nick Yemana said it.
I’m the exact opposite - mushy peas start with moo, otherwise it’s option 2
IIRC, Giles in BtVS pronounced mushy peas “mooshy”