I have a problem with anyone restricting anyone ability to wear what they want.
The exception I have to that is when someone is trying to pass himself off as something he’s not. Let’s say an 18 year old comes to school dressed up in his uncle’s uniform and his uncle is a four star general. Obviously no 18 year old is going to be a four star general.
So I can see a danger when someone wears something and can be mistaken or deliberately tries to pass himself off as something he’s not.
That doesn’t really establish materiality. If it did, all voluntary misrepresentations would accordingly be material misrepresentations, which plainly is not the case. Also, (7) is nowhere near being self-evident. Reliance doesn’t mean “heard” or even “accepted as true.” It means to act in a way that you would not have acted on the basis of the misrepresentation.
You’re a prince, Bricker. But I think this is one of those “let’s talk about principles” topics rather than “write a memo about how this would come out in the pertinent jurisdiction” that we had a series of threads about recently.
The “damage” of overestimating one’s acquaintances are not legally cognizable damages.
Are you people aware that we allow foreigners, aliens, who are not even US citizens, to legally wear our military uniforms?
So? Those people go through the same ordeal that citizens go through, they are subject to the same military discipline, they typically serve with distinction, and they are rewarded with the right to become citizens once their service is satisfactorily completed.
You say this like it’s a bad thing. Nobody, not even citizens, are more ardently patriotic than those that have cast away everything they knew to risk their lives for the United States in order to become a part of it.
Yes. We call those foreigners servicemen. How is this in any way germane to the thread topic?
I see two possibilities as to what you are arguing.
One which would piss me off and here is my reply:
Oh, you mean about 5 of my friends that I’ve served with? Men who fought against the enemy honorably and were later awarded with their citizenship for their patriotism to a country that they were waiting for to adopt them? They earned that uniform and the citizenship that came with it.
And the other which leaves me(as with the one above) the exact opposite of impressed with your intelligence:
In no way, does that mean we should overlook this guy. Allowing foreigners to serve and gain their citizenship is entirely dissimiliar to letting this doucher pretend he’s a vet.
Non-citizens who served in the armed forces don’t always apply for citizenship afterwards, for the record.
If you require that they FIRST become citizens AND renounce their former country/foreign citizenship BEFORE being allowed to join the United States military, then it would not be a problem for anyone… would it?
As long as foreigners who are not citizens and who have an oath and responsibility to other countries, some of them hostile to the US, then if you let such foreign citizens of other countries wear the uniform, it is a non-issue who else wears it.
(Dont get me wrong, I am all for legal immigrants who first become US Citizens and who renounce all foreign allegance to then come and join our military.)
It’s not a problem for anybody now, except you. There are 40,000 noncitizens serving in the US military right now.
They’re not eligible to become officers or work in intelligence-related fields, so it’s not like any of them are intelligence risks.
However, if you really think that all these noncitizen servicemen are just waiting for their chance to destroy America or something… do you really think they’re going to mind renouncing their own citizenship to do it?
Golly! An oath!
Do you believe in magic spells and amulets too?
I tend to think actions speak louder than words.
We’re offering my wife’s dress uniform to her father when she gets out (Navy). We’re burning everything else related to her service as she doesn’t wish any reminders of it. If he wants to wear it, since he likes it so much, he can. Frankly we’d rather burn that one as well but he’s insistent about it
Any particular reason she wants to burn everything?
Many do it for various reasons, but she wants to do anything to forget she was ever there.
Serving in the US military, is a duty, a responsibility, a privilige, and an honor that only US Citizens should be allowed to have.
We do not need, nor want, foreigners to defend us, we can do it ourselves.
If a foreigner is not a US Citizen, if he is a citizen and is loyal to another country, then he should not be allowed in our military and not be allowed to wear MY countries uniform.
IF you let foreigners/citizens of other countries wear our uniform then obviously, you dont care who wears it.
You didn’t really understand that sentence of RNATB’s that you quoted, did you? Or is it your own high dudgeon that has confounded you?
Well, for starters, you obviously have never read about or met any KATUSAs.
Are you serious? The fact that we allow in certain cases our allied nations to field troops in our command structure with our uniforms, for the purposes of being able to communicate effectively and on an ongoing basis with natives and allied units, somehow cheapens the uniform or our respect of it? Do you think it’s somehow willy-nilly or open to any random whozit?
Who’s “we”, kemosabe? The Department of Defense presumably wants foreigners to help defend us, or they’d stop allowing them to enlist.
Why the hell would anyone join the US armed forces if they aren’t loyal to America? It’s not as though there are a dozen applicants for every vacancy. Being a soldier is hard and often miserable work.
I think she’s referring to immigrants who enlist in the services while they’re permanent residents (but not yet citizens), rather than members of foreign armies on secondment to US military units. Of course, I have absolutely no clue what she’s talking about (not that she does either) so I could be way off.
I’d agree. Intent, mens rea under the criminal law, is what matters.
I do care who wears it, especially as I now wear one and it’s very meaningful and important to me. And in no way does allowing immigrants who are not yet citizens degrade the uniform or mean that I think anyone should wear it.
And if you view it as such an honor, then go ahead and enlist. Then while you’re in, talk smack to the ‘foreigner’ who has done more to make America his/her home than you ever have about how he/she shouldn’t be allowed to do so.
I think all non-citizens serving in the U.S. military should be automatically granted citizenship. After all, someone willing to volunteer to serve a country has at least as much of a right to citizenship as someone who just happened to be born there.