Poll: Should this TX teacher have been fired for telling a student to "Go back to Mexico"?

I’ve heard this too, in the Midwest, in a rural area with few black people. It was from a person whom I otherwise had considered to be educated and moderate, if not liberal. There was some item in the news regarding black people and racism and this person said, “If they don’t like it, they should just go back.”

I was stunned and flabbergasted. I said something to the effect of “back where?” and that most black Americans had roots as deep if not deeper in this country than white Americans.

I was also stunned that she would say it to me, knowing that my parents are immigrants. I thought, wow, if I ever am in a position in which I have to assert my rights, will I be told just to “go back” if I don’t like it?

I’ve thought a lot about it since then. I’ve concluded that many (most?) white Americans hold an unconsidered assumption that they are “real” Americans, default Americans, and that those of who aren’t white are Americans only by leave or contingency.

White culture, white tastes, white choices, white habits – they’re automatically American. Whereas, the rest of ours are American only to the extent that they conform.

Well, I reject that. I’m American by birth. Everything about me is American – my name is American, the languages I speak are American, my interests, my tastes, my choices, my likes, my dislikes. They’re American, 100 percent American. Period. Not “also” American. And not less American than any one else’s, even if I am the sole American in 315 million who ascribes to any of them.

American culture is not by default Anglo culture, or European culture, or white culture. American is any characteristic that any American has.

I can prove if I have to that all my ancestors (all two of them) who came to this country came here lawfully and have been law-abiding and productive citizens here. How many white Americans can say that with assurance?

So fuck people who think they can tell other people to “go back” based on their skin color or language or accent or religion or how long it has been since they or their ancestors arrived here from someone else. Fuck them twice with a rusty pole, as a friend of mine used to say.

“Where are you from” is a common question I get when I meet someone. “What kind of name is that?” Sometimes I can just put it down to benign interest. After the 700th time, though, sometimes I want to say “I’m from here. Where the fuck are you from?”

It’s hateful, demeaning, and racist for any person on this soil to suggest to another person on this soil that he or she should “go back.” Period. There is no context that can mitigate this or make it okay or cute or jocular or understandable. It’s simply unacceptable.

Fucking asshole Sen. George Allen called S.R. Sidarth “Macaca,” because he was dark-skinned. Well, fucking S.R. Sidarth, was fucking born in Virginia, fucking asshole. You weren’t, you fucking Southern California Wannabe-Johnny-Reb. Who are you to point out someone else as an outsider?

The kid clearly wanted to be treated as though he were living in Mexico. In that context, stating that he should go back there is hardly out of line.

We don’t know why he was saying it. He was a kid apparently being stupid. That doesn’t justify that kind of response. No more than saying I’m a spic wetback justifies a response of “sit down and shut up, you spic wetback.”

Where do you get off knowing what the kid wanted, or how he wanted to be treated? Where you there? How can you say " the kid clearly wanted to be treated as if…" without knowing exactly what happened, aside from what you have read? Maybe the boy had difficulties none of us are aware of. For a child, an authority figure/teacher’s statement is a powerful thing. Add to that a history in Texas-where it was once open season on your ancestors, if you are of Mexican descent. It is a big deal, and it may be easier for you to minimize the experience of the child, because you cannot walk in his shoes. Have you ever experienced racism directed towards you or your family?

florez, I myself belong to an ethnic minority group, and yes, I have indeed been the victim of racism. That is precisely why I can see that this teacher’s actions were nothing of the sort.

This child was saying “I’m Mexican” over and over again. He was, in effect, demanding that the teacher provide him with a Spanish form, something which the teacher did not happen to have on hand. This was also a form that he could have easily obtained for himself. How is this NOT acting as though he should be treated as though they were in Mexico?

You keep emphasizing that you’ve been a victim of racism, acting at though this gives you special insight into this situation. Quite the contrary though, I think that your experiences have made you overly sensitive to this situation. I have been victimized by racists myself, and I’ve complained about this on more than one occasion. Nevertheless, I choose to evaluate this teacher’s statement in its context, and I think it’s clear that it was not a racist remark on her part.

How do you know that? I suspect he was just being an ass.

That’s a complete non sequitur. Asking for a form in Spanish (if that is, indeed, what he was doing) does not by itself imply being “treated as though they were in Mexico.”

And I evaluate it in context. It can be nothing but a racist remark. Going back to Mexico is completely irrelevant to the situation.

According to the latest poll results, ~90% of the responses lean toward no punishment.

I am half Mexican, and it is tough to tell if its racist, unless you know the teacher. I think if the teacher put in the same situation but the kid was repeating I’m German, Italian, Irish or whatever other race, and the teachers response was still go back to Germany, Italy, Ireland… ect then it’s alright.

I don’t think the teacher should be fired, but it was definitley inapropriate. I don’t understand why the teacher didn’t just send the student to the Dean or Counselor, whatever that school’s policy is on students disturbing classes. Having a kid in a class yelling or refusing to stop saying things, is a disruption to everyone, not just annoying to the teacher.

When I was in middle school I got sent to the Dean because I told the teacher " I dont have my homework, because Im too cool for school" I was also saying it jokingly. At the time I didn’t get it, but a student disrespecting a teacher, is not only annoying and rude, but makes it seem like the rest of the students can do similar things.

It is easy to judge though from the outside. My sister is a teacher, and a mother of 2 young children and I probably would have said something way worse, having heard my sister’s stories.

I have the experience of working as a teacher with young children, and was always aware that anything I said to them was under constant scrutiny. This may be another reason why I feel so sensitive about the story. But after reading the poll, and wondering why I am so out there in my opinion, I decided to call the esteemed patriarch of our family: Uncle Don Antonio. His words of wisdom are sought out by many in the neighborhood, although he is getting old, he shows no signs of senility as of yet.
His suggestion to me was not to worry. “if she gets her job back, and the children think their friend was wronged, she will soon be driven to a nervous breakdown. Just let them handle it.”

Uncle?

What americanized version of hispanic are you? :smiley: My family we call our aunts and uncles Tia and Tio.

Being Mexican on my mother’s side an Spanish on my father’s side I wouldn’t have taken offense at what this teacher said. For me though the context was important and has to be considered. I can’t speak for others of my ethnic background, but for myself it is more of a meh moment. If there was a history and multiple accounts maybe I might get worked up, but given the story as laid out here, for me, not too worked up.

Que Chingon::smiley: I should not assume that this could be a WTF Tio situation, and give others more credit. Glad to meet you Hakuna Matata.

Glad to meet you too. Personally I like the Tio part as my first name is Tom and “Tio Tomás” just sounds a lot cooler than “Uncle Tom”…if ya know what I mean!

First we have to define racism, a term that many of you in here do not understand. A racist is someone who discriminates against another race.

To find out if this is offensive, we have to put ourselves in other peoples shoes. I am Canadian. If I were to yell out in class “I’m Canadian” repeatedly and the teacher retorts back “Go back to Canada”, that isn’t racial discrimination at all.

The teacher wasn’t being racist at all. Sure she could’ve just told him to shut up, but how do we know she hasn’t already done so several times already? Back in the day teachers used to beat children. Sticks and stones may break my bones but names can’t hurt me.

What they aren’t telling us, besides this student having a history of disrespectful behavior is that his parents are most likely illegally in the country and that he has been suspended multiple times and passed from teacher to teacher in an effort to try to let him stay in class rather than being expelled. They would probably be able to tell you that they have gotten no cooperation from the parents in multiple attempts to get him to behave in a manner conducive to a learning environment. Nor will they tell us about the multiple complaints from other parents of students who are being inhibited from learning because he is such a disruption. Plus, he’s the one saying over and again that he is Mexican.

There is much more to this than a teacher saying to go back to Mexico.

I said wrong but not fireable. But only becuase it was unprofessional to let her frustration get the better of her to the extent she engaged bad behavior rather than initiating disciplinary action.

I can see why “Go back to…” feels racist. But I don’t think it applies in this case. She was responding directly to his (obnoxious) words. Had he been saying “I’m a bunny! I’m a bunny!” and she came back with, “Then go back to your warren!” nobody would have given it a second look. Had he been barking Spanish at her and she came back with , “Go back to Mexico!” then yeah, six flavors of racist.