Poorly conceived movie and/or SF inventions/technology

Virtually all the science fiction in “The Matrix”:

Using people as batteries. Uh-huh. Cause we all know that people generate more energy than they consume. They’re good like that.

The need for a homing device to find somebody in the Matrix. Everywhere he goes, every time he turns a doorknob, the Matrix has to create that particular reality just for him, but the Matrix can’t find him. It’s like a spider not being able to find a fly in the spiderweb. No, it’s worse than that. It’s like a spider building the web around the fly, yet not being able to find him.

They erased Neo’s mouth at the beginning of the movie, and then when they want him dead, they can’t think to erase his nose and his mouth, so he can’t breathe? Hell, why not erase his whole head!

Stupid, stupid movie.

Liked the characters, though. :smiley:

The Empire didn’t have much time to convert everyone over to English in the movies. Besides, there would presumably be a lot of aliens that simply couldn’t speak anything resembling a human language, just due to their anatomy.

well in the Duniverse they had personal shield tech that rendered voirtually all projectile wepons useless. but you point is well taken, the only people who should be using a blade are friggin ninjas

No argument there.

Then why does my computer have such a hard time ditecting viruses? Why can a skilled hacker break into my system undetected and steal my credit card nymber? Because that’s exactly what they were doing. A skilled hacker can make a computer respond to his commands without actually noticing he’s there, and that’s what Neo et al were doing - hacking.

When they erased his mouth he was still hardwired into the system and completely under their control. Later, he was hacking in, and they had to use less direct methods (i.e. shooting him).

God knows, those movies have some mind-boggling flaws, but those two points have logical explanations (to a given amount of “logic”).

If the purpose is to prevent the ship from falling into enemy hands, this does make sense. You don’t want them to easily hit a Big Red Stop Button after they board the ship.

As far as inertial dampeners - maybe they’re tied to the navigation system and essentially counter-act the programmed accelerations, but outside forces like explosions or collisions don’t fall under that. Of course, that’s no excuse not to have seat belts…

Guns vs. magic = magic wins. I’m sorry, but that’s how it works. I don’t care how many rounds per millisecond your gun fires.

(This only works in Star Wars, however. Dune, on the other hand, has the personal shield technology which would render guns useless.)

Software is always designed with multiple units that talk to each other using as little data as possible each time. It’s the only way humans can even hope to understand the system as a whole once it passes a certain (relatively small) level of complexity. If the original human designers of the Matrix didn’t imagine (or want to allow) people tracking others down, this becomes much more understandable.

I always thought of Morpheus’ ‘explanation’ to Neo in the first movie as being his regurgitation of the crap he was fed by the Matrix itself. Obviously, the Matrix needs both Zion and a Neo every so often, and what better way to motivate everyone than to have them think human beings have been reduced to AAs?

Because Agent Smith is arrogant almost to the point of complete psychosis even that early in the movies. What could a mere monkey do to the most powerful computer system in the Universe, anyway?

(I’m aware there are simpler, plot-driven explanations for all of these things. But they aren’t as fun. So there!)

I still don’t quite buy this. I’m aware real ship’s captains can order their vessel scuttled if capture is obvious, but there isn’t (to my knowledge) a single, specialized system for doing so. They order their crew to damage the existing systems, instead. Why would that be changed in the future? Wouldn’t they worry about someone going crazy or comitting sabotage or a simple flaw in the software?

Erm… I’m sorry, but I don’t think we ever saw the ‘Galaxy’ on-screen, did we? (Or if you didn’t mean to imply that we did, then I’m sorry for misunderstanding.)

On another dimension, battle androids in anime that have the appearance of very cute teenage girls – like Nuku Nuku or Mahoro Ando. They are clearly designed for fanservice: not for effectiveness in battle.

They could be like shock absorbers. They reduce the bumps that would otherwise pulp the contents of the ship.
How about fighter-sized spacecraft in general. Oh I can see a purpose in having them for recon or attacking ground targets. But it seems like nonsense in Star Wars or Battlestar Galactica to have capital ships several miles long blasting away at each other while fighterplanes zip in and out like fleas assisting their host dog in a fight.

Depends. If a small ship is capable of carrying a weapon capable of destroying a large ship, I’d say it’s even more practical.

I mean, it’s like saying, “Who needs infantry when you’ve got tanks?”

Here’s a list of all the Galaxy class ships that appeared in Star Trek. The first one to go was the Yamato, which went pop after its computer was infected by an ancient alien computer virus that made it drop its warp core containment field. The second was the Odyssey, which was destroyed during the ill-fated first encounter with the Jem Hadar. In fairness to the Galaxy class, though, those were some pretty special cases. Plus, considering how other starship classes fared fighting the dominion, the Galaxy class seems straight-up rugged:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USS_Majestic_hit.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/0/04/Sacrifice_of_Angels_17.jpg

So you set the timer so the ship is dust before they get aboard. All the more reason to put the control near the escape pod.

Only one elevator to the bridge of NCC-1701A. No other way out.

Why would you build a flying motorcycle and then fly it down inside the forest? If you went up 20M you could just fly over the trees.

Actually, one time in the entire Star Wars movie cycle (I take no responsibility for novels/comic strips/cartoon series/TV movies/Christmas Specials) they referred to R2D2 and C3PO as “Robots”. It was in the first movie (or fourth, depending opn how you number them. The one that came out in '77), just before Luke realizes that the Imperial Stormtroopers will probably get to Uncle Owen and Aunt Beroo. “That means they’ll trace the robots from the Jawas to Uncle Owen and Aunt Beroo, and that will lead them …back home!”

Obi-Wan: “No, Luke. It’s too dangerous!”

But he’s off.

I agree with you on the robots vs. androids thing. SF usage when I grew up would call C3PO and R2D2 robots, but the terms “robot” and “android” ahave been slippery, as we’ve shown in many past discussions here. And Star Ward uses “droid”, giving them even more wiggle room.

Don’t remember the name of the episode in Star Trek TOS, but Kirk is split into Good Kirk, who is an ineffectual wimp, and Evil Kirk, who is a lech.

Sulu et al are freezing their asses off on the planet, nobody can beam them up because the transporter isn’t working.

Good Kirk is also an idiot - send down a shuttle craft!

And Matrix would have sucked somewhat less if they used people for processing power instead of energy. That I could believe. But once you need to drag out “the villian makes fundamental mistakes because he is so arrogant” you have lost me.

Regards,
Shodan

Well, they did have the “battle bridge” which was down in the lower section somewhere and was used after the saucer section separated. But yeah, why not just make that the primary bridge in the first place?

Ripley had plenty of time to reach the escape shuttle. She even had enough time to run all the way back and try to turn it off and then run all the way back to the shuttle to escape.

Also, it wasn’t particulary hard to turn off, it just had to be done before the countdown had progressed too far and the process couldn’t be reversed.

Imperial Stormtrooper armour. One blaster hit and you’re dead. What’s the point?

With the slight caveat that if you hit a Dune shield with a laser (the most common ranged weapon depicted), both the laser and the shield generator exploded. Kind of a deal-breaker, I would think, as to whether or not the troops would either (a) use the shields or (b) shoot anywhere near one.

Some thoughts on Star Trek:

The Battle Bridge is located in the neck of the Galaxy class starships, in the part that locks into the saucer section. This doesn’t seem THAT much safer than where the normal bridge is, but supposedly that portion of the neck is one of the most ruggedly built parts of the ship (since it has to hold the whole saucer section onto the rest of the ship). Me, I’d stick it nearish to Engineering, but whatever. On an unrelated note, I was highly amused to find that modern warships have battle bridges, but they’re called “Combat Information Centers” (IIRC), and ARE located deep in the guts of the ship. The Captain sits on the Bridge, the XO sits in the basement, was how it was explained to me when I was 11 and visiting Pearl Harbor.

The Galaxy class wins more battles than it loses, even counting the USS Yamato (which has the dubious distinction of being destroyed on screen twice in the same season) and the USS Oddessy (and honestly, the thing was effectively forced to fight without sheilds, had been heavily damaged fighting multiple enemy ships, and then was rammed in a kamikazi attack by one of the enemy ships. FIND me a non-cube-shaped ship that would have fared better in the ST universe.

I think the USS Galaxy actually shows up later in DS9, taking and dishing out severe punishment but surviving while fighting the Dominion. In the DS9 episode “Sacrifice of Angels”, we see a pair of Galaxy class starships bulldogging their way through a Cardassian formation, knocking down ships left and right with phaser broadsides at point-blank range :eek:

We see a number of Galaxies doing various things on DS9, for example, I think the USS Venture (a somewhat more heavily armed version of the Galaxy) is the flagship of 9th Fleet. Most Galaxies that we’ve seen destroyed were lost either because their sheilds were rendered ineffective (USS Oddessy, USS Enterprise) or else were lost in non-combat situations (USS Yamato) There’s various fanwank speculation about whether the Galaxies shown later in DS9 have extra hull protection, because they have a slightly different color scheme, or if that’s just a quirk of the CGI they used on DS9. In case you’re wondering, there is much fanwank amongst Star Trek fans.

And there are liability lawyers in the ST universe. They were all tragically lost in a suspicious (some would even say contrived) series of transporter accidents soon after they graduated law school though. :frowning:

As for Independence Day, the big saucer ships didn’t really take all that much damage from the air-to-air missiles fired by the fighters. If anything, the humans should get slapped on the wrists for thinking the missiles would have done much of anything to the ships. The only time an air-to-air missile had any success was when it was flown directly into the ship’s superweapon before it was about to fire (presumably releasing all that energy inside the ship instead of it being focused on Area 51)

Oh, and the Dune sheilds didn’t only make high-velocity projectile weapons useless (they did use short-range low-velocity dart guns), but they also made beam weaponry (somewhat common, at least in the militaries of the early DUNE books) VERY dangerous. If you fired a laser and hit a sheild, you (and possibly the sheildbearer, I can’t remember) would find youself at the epicenter of a subatomic explosion, which is presumed to be an impressive sight to behold from afar. (Ethilrist has beaten me to this point, I see)