Is it easier/more likely to be used than a condom? If not than a wrench that never gets used isn’t a very useful wrench.
Which method would a horny couple (remember hormones are a normal human thing, and ultimately the fault of whatever created humans) be more likely to use a condom, or abstinence?
Plus I think abstinence only types really don’t understand the nature of people at all.
Consider the phrase “one thing lead to another” which means an escalating feed back loop where one slightly intimate act produced pleasure which made a slightly more intimate act seem okay, and so fourth so that a kiss leads to some dude squirting man gravy all over the pink cave amid moans that’d wake the dead.
Now abstinence only types would cluck their judgmentle throats, and wag their fingers about it getting that far, but they’d ignore a fundamental reality about human nature. We’re genetically closest to bonobos. The mating urge is an instinct that clouds reason so that sticking it in can seem like an urgent matter and “what about future I mean what are the chances? just this once is okay.”?
Now you might say that logic is dumb, and I’d agree, even in the heat of passion, but you’re basically arguing to leave dumb people to unintentionally reproduce while smarter people don’t.
According to everything we know about science, what happens to a trait that discourages reproduction?
I say better dumb people and smart people both have tools, that they’ll use, to control fertility and reproduce as a choice, not an accident.
Jesus wants children to grow up in healthy stable families who are at a point they can properly provided for their kids, yea?
further I submit that if “sex is a sin. Sins are forgiven. So stick it in.”.
Further I submit that hormones are strongest, and cloud judgment the most, when people have the least amount of experience to deal with them: teens and early adult hood. Further the inherent naivety of youth doesn’t help this. Who’s fault is design that if you attribute humans as created beings?
You are right, but human’s have a sex drive for a reason,and very few people have that low of a sex drive.For the ones who abstain it may be easy, but I know of a lot of people in bad marriages, because of it’s use. Abstinence is the most un-natural Method of birth control!
I never said it was natural. No method of birth control is natural. The commandment to “be fruitful and multiply” isn’t just written in a book; it’s coded into our genes by billions of years of evolution. That said, humans do plenty of other things that are unnatural, too.
If that is your argument then you would similarly beleive that a woman who can no longer take care of her eight year old child would have the right to murder him/her. It is (in most cases) the womans choice to involve herself in activities that would make her pregnant (I don’t say sex because for the really crazy bitches out there you have in-vitro to give you eight children you don’t need saving you a huge amount of time and messy coitus!) so in this way she is choosing to have the commitment but it sounds to me as if monavis’ bleeding heart would not be bandaged even if bricker personally carried, birthed and funded every child of irresponsible parents through their twenty first birthday (though that would be one hell of a 21st!)
personally I think women should keep their children if they weren’t raped or otherwise unwillfully impregnated monavis seems to think every pregnant woman deserves to have responsibility magically lifted from them and I suggest you move to the forest where you can live in a tree with elves and be fed cookies and have all responsibility taken from your shoulders (LSD not included)
That being said I won’t tolerate (as if it matters) any more needless laws prohibiting or endorsing abortion, in this regard I am both pro life and pro choice as any sane person should be. I don’t need laws telling me it’s bad to use abortion as birth control but at the same time I don’t want stupid people who would want to use abortion as birth control raising children that I will later have to deal with (kick the shit out of for trying to steal my car.)
NO, I do not think a woman has the right to kill her child of any age after it is born, nor did I ever imply such a thing. I am talking about a possible child, not one yet formed, such as a fertile egg, that is far from being a person, just like a fertile apple blossom is not yet an apple.
I doubt that many women use abortion as a method of birth-control.It is not an easy choice for the woman and because i never considered an abortion doesn’t mean I should force an other woman to do as I wish. I have not lived in her shoes, I do not know her financial, mental,or physical situation. I am not the conscience of the world.
As a post script I would think you and Bricker could take care of all of the unwanted pregnancy’s that would surely solve some of the problems
Having a morning after pill for every woman of child bearing age would sure cut down on the need for an abortion!It would give her a choice and no child would suffer.
When one speaks of the right to Life they have to consider the fact that some religions think every martial act should be open to bearing a child! Human life began eons ago that is a fact, so it isn’t the right to life but the right to birth inspite of the woman’s rights to her life!
Anyway this is a huge hijack.
Healthcare is a human right in any meaningful sense of the phrase human rights. The Pope says so, and Catholics gonna argue with their freaking Pope?
I find it particularly fascinating that Catholics are vilified for blindly following the Pope… except when the Pope’s pronouncements happen to coincide with the rhetor’s desired outcome, in which case Catholics are vaguely disloyal or otherwise to be condemned for questioning the Pope.
In any event, as I hinted before, the Catholic faith has a certain set of dogma, beliefs which cannot be questioned, and a much wider set of beliefs which a particular individual Catholic need not share.
And yet those people generally still try very hard to do so. Why do you think people have sex so much to begin with? Yes, yes, because it’s fun, but why is it fun in the first place? Because organisms which have sex a lot leave more offspring behind, spreading their sex-is-fun genes.
Healthcare is not an inalienable right. Inalienable rights consist of things that should come first and foremost on the governments agenda whether their national budget is trillions of dollars or a few shells and a chicken. Things like making sure your people aren’t killing each other, that you arent endorsing slavery, and that your citizens are reasonably well cared for with the means you have at your disposal, this does not include paying for all their medical bills, it is sufficient to make it available. Universal healthcare is a nice perk for more wealthy countries but it is not an inalienable right.
It is difficult for me to imagine an explanation for the disparity between what I said ("…a much wider set of beliefs which a particular individual Catholic need not share…") and what you summarized (“mind control”).
Americans generally and conservative Americans in particular have a long history of ignoring inconvenient things religious leaders say about some topics while wrapping themselves smugly in holy vestments with regard to others. Hypocrisy is their friend!
For those who believe health care is not an inalienable right, you believe that you should not pay taxes to prevent a baby from dying even though the resources exist to keep this child alive?
You can’t be arsed to spend an extra buck or two into taxes in order to save someone’s life?
Why do you even want to live in a civilized society? What is the point of living in a society if you’re going to live by jungle rules?
Going by your logic a newborn horse is not a horse either, nor is a baby chick a chicken. Your argument reeks of semantic panic.
Brood mare? And you accuse me of religious beliefs while you come up with madness like that? Not being able to kill someone with a beating heart is slavery? Where did you come up with that one?*
But it’s not just her body that she’s doing something with. It’s also someone else’s. Different DNA, different blood type, all of that. Measurable brain waves and heart beats, too. These are all facts established by embryology.
“Her body”? You’re not even pushing science with your argument at this point - you’re pushing myths. That’s called religious beliefs, pardner.
Starvation will never go away no matter how many you abort.
Uhm, why are you bringing up the Roman Catholic Church? I believe in contraception. Go find a fanatical RC straw man to beat on, perhaps your arguments are better suited for them.
Oh yeah and before you bring it up, I also support a zero hope of escape option for fathers who try to escape child support.
We are quite content to provide others with the treatments that ensure continued health. In fact, most of us prefer single payer healthcare because it allows to actually keep the Hippocratic Oath by which we are supposed to be bound. Not everyone is like you.
