Popeye's "this is not a debit card fee"

I also have to agree. For small purchases, credit is WAY faster. Whenever I make a small purchase, I can swipe the card at any time during my order and it will start the approval process before the transaction is even completed. Not unlike how gas pumps tend to work with credit, at least around here, small purchases get a pre-approval up to a certain amount and don’t require a signature, which at least in my state I think is something like $15-20.

Thus, at a fast food place, it’s always faster than cash, because by the time the cashier finishes punching in my order, my card has already been swiped, and approved. If I were to pay with cash, they’d have to handle it, count it, make change, and then I’d have to double check their counting. So, even if you have exact change in hand, it will still take longer than paying with credit. But since that’s seldom the case, cash is almost always slower.
The other benefits of credit win too. I can check my balance and my purchases online or even from my smart phone whenever I want. The idea that cash helps with that makes no sense. Even if you get, say $50 in cash a week to spend on lunch or whatever, how is that easier to manage than actually seeing the exacty amounts spent when I look online. And, of course, if you ever lose your walltr or it’s stolen, any cash in your wallet is gone, but as long as you report your card stolen, you’re typically not accountable for anything that might have been spent on it.

Seriously, I generally carry very little cash on me, which is mostly intended for tipping, or the rare occassions where credit doesn’t work, like an unexpect toll or maybe a vending machine. In fact, I had had the same few bucks on my for almost a year until just a few weeks ago when I went out to dinner for someone’s birthday and we wanted to pay for his dinner and split it several ways and they couldn’t split it up between all of us so we just put it on one person’s bill and everyone give him a little cash.
As for the OP, as mentioned upthread, it sounds like it’s related to recent changes in the laws and they’re just getting around it a bit. Regardless, also as mentioned upthread, most debit cards can be used as credit cards. I used to use a debit card maybe 10-12 years ago, and even then, I could use it exactly like a credit card. I’m not even really sure why one wouldn’t want to do that other than to get cash back.

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For small purchases, credit is WAY faster. /QUOTE]
At the office cafeteria the CC swipe machine is fairly slow. The cashiers typically have time to run through a cash transaction while waiting for the machine to complete so they can take the next CC transaction even if that person wasn’t next in line.

$2 bills and Susan B. Anthony’s for the win…

This thread has me thinking…what is the correct punctuation on that title? The quote belongs to Popeye’s, so:

Popeye’s’s “this is not a debit card fee” ?

I guess change it:

Popeye’s: “this is not a debit card fee”

“I love Popeye’s chicken” “I love KFC chicken.”

“Popeye’s’s uniforms are cute.” ?

Popeye’s’ uniforms are the shit.

  1. Go to Popeye’s
  2. Order your meal. One item at a time. As in: drink, 1.29, minus 39 cents, = 90. Chicken: 4.99, minus 39 cents, = 4.69. Extra biscuit: 69 cents, minus 39 cents, = 30 cents. Pay for each with a credit card.
  3. Profit :smiley: (OK, you won’t profit much but you’ll really screw Popeye’s on credit card fees).

I worked supporting credit card processing for the last two years, so I actually know about this!

First, the people who are talking about debit card rates know of what they speak. Debit transactions do have a much lower percentage rate, but a larger transaction fee. Credit cards run through as plain old credit have a lower transaction fee but a higher percentage rate. I don’t know how other processors do it, but for my company, a merchant always has a choice to run a card as debit or credit. The only time when they cannot run debit transactions is if they haven’t opted to get set up for it (the system capable of doing PIN debit transactions is more expensive, plus it necessitates the purchase of a PIN machine).

This past July, there was a class action lawsuit settlement against Visa/Mastercard. The class action lawsuit concerned credit card surcharging, among other things. The dry legalese can be found here. Basically, the settlement ruled that now merchants can pass on the charges to their customers. Previously, a merchant was only able to offer goods at a price that included his processing fees, and he/she could only offer a “cash discount.” With the new rules of the settlement, a merchant may do a surcharge not to exceed 4% on top of any transaction paid for with a credit card. The intent to surcharge must also be posted in the store, visible near the point of sale.

Now, based on my own understanding, this only applies to CREDIT cards. Any time a card is used as credit, it’s a credit card, even if you can also use it as debit. I’m not a lawyer or anything close, but it’s more than likely a violation of Popeye’s merchant agreement if they’re surcharging debit transactions. You may also be able to contact some kind of Business Bureau about it, as it may violate the Dodd Act as well (a law that came through that dictates rules concerning debit transactions).

Yay, credit card knowledge! Ask me how to keep books next, that’s what they’re training me on now :wink:

Does anyone know if a merchant as a larger liability with debit vs. credit. An unpaid credit card transation is a hit to the bank issuing the credit card. How does it work for a debit card?

I don’t know how it works with other credit card processors, but in my company, if there are not funds to cover the purchase, the bank’s response will be “no reason given,” and it’ll be a hard decline. That way, no one ever has to worry about delinquent funds.

If someone has overdraft protection and the transaction does go through, the bank will send my company the money, we will send the merchant the funds minus processing fees, and the bank will come after the customer for it. I suppose if the customer dropped off the face of the earth, the bank would sell the debt to collections and write off the bad debt. However, the seller would still get paid.

It’s interesting hearing how things work in other places.

Here, debit card is treated exactly the same as cash. I just bought a freezer that had one price, plus a discounted cash/debit price, IOW you could pay less if you paid by cash or debit card.

Good for you, but what does this even have to do with the OP?

I’d write an email to Popeye’s corporate, if only to see what they have to say about it.