'Scuse me, but I must point out that the T-Mobile SDA and MDA predate the iPhone by about a year or so but yeah, they were a novelty to be sure. I was working for T-Mo at the time and had both of these models and people were very curious about them. To date though, I have never owned any Apple product of any kind. Open source all the way plz!
I still love watching 80s action movies where the heroes exploit the hottest technology; everyone gathering around the Vic-20 or pulling out the portable phone the size of VCR.
Yeah, all those shows totally changed over their 3 decade runs…oh wait…
I fairly often put on shows like Top of the Pops 1991 (or whatever year; it was our big TV chart show with live acts) and the people really do look different.
Some fashions come back in again. I’m happily wearing what I wore when I was 16, 30 years ago, and so much in fashion that I almost feel like I’m pretending to be a much younger woman, but I had those clothes first, dammit! But when I was a bit younger than 16 one of the other fashions was early 70s style, but slightly different - repeated fashion is a thing that’s been happening for a long time.
You can print the tickets. The QR code reader can read off printed paper just as well as off a phone.
What I’ve found interesting in the last few years is that people holding up their phones is way, way less common than it was about 15 years ago. The novelty’s worn off, and everyone knows those videos are shit no matter how good your camera is. People might take a photo or two but it’s not the sea of annoying phones blocking your view like it was a for a few years.
Do you have any confusion that Barney miller is set in the 70s.
Can you identify every episode of law and order by decade. other than technology.
What does that really mean other than the show has been on for a long time?
Bonanza ran for nearly 15 years and other than age of the actors I couldn’t tell tell which episodes were filmed early in the run or later.
But for more recent things - soap operas. There are soaps that have continuous run for even longer. There are episodes from the 70s I could not really tell from episodes of the 80s. Or from the 80s to some from the 90s. Or from the 90s to the 00s. Though I could probably, with high but not 100% probability, probably not be wrong by more than 1 decade.
This doesn’t really tell us anything about ‘cultural’ stagnation. It just tells us some TV programs have been around a long time and should perhaps update their stage dressing more frequently.
As for L&O, to make it a more apt comparison - are you claiming it is impossible to tell when some of the spinoffs began? L&O vs SVU vs LA vs Criminal Intent, etc? Those were clearly not all from the same decade. Comparing one show that ran a long time vs several shows set in different decades doesn’t make sense. But we can compare spinoffs of that long running show from different decades, and, yes, they do look different.
Previously, yes. Now it’s often that they’re dynamic and are tied to your account. Scalpers would make multiple copies and sell them. Only the first person would get in.
All the gig tickets I’ve had in the past few years have had QR codes on, and that’s what prevents multiple people using them. It’s not having the ticket - otherwise you could just forward the ticket to loads of different people and they could show their phones and get in with one ticket.
What do you mean by dynamic tickets?
I’ve never done this myself, but my daughter has bought tickets to events that are ONLY accessible through an app on your phone. You can’t print it, you can’t screenshot it, you have to show it or scan it within the app.
That’s interesting - never come across that myself at all. I have come across sites that claim you need the app, but actually you don’t.
Does it mean every individual has to have a smartphone? Smartphones are very very cheap, but someone losing their phone or getting it stolen on the way to the gig is not exactly going to be a rare occurrence at large gigs.
What I meant earlier by dynamic is the code itself changes every minute or so. You need to bring the code up right before it’s scanned. I have no idea what you would do without a smart phone or god forbid you shatter your screen in the parking lot on the walk in. You might be able to go to the box office and tell them your email address or something.
Wow, interesting. Is this because QR codes aren’t popular in the US, or is this a QR code that changes every few seconds?
Most gigs have some way of requesting disability access - even the most informal gigs are generally happy to either comply with the DDA or just not be arseholes - so I assume they’d have ways of dealing with not being able to use a smartphone in that very specific way. (Wouldn’t exactly work for someone with sight problems, for example). So you’d have to contact them in advance. Apart from stolen phones etc that’s where it’s going to come up, but it’s one of those disability access accommodations that can help everyone.
But it really is a new one on me and I last went to a gig two days ago.
If you don’t have it on your phone, they just send you to will call where you show them ID or the credit card used to purchase the ticket.
It’s a bar code that changes every ten seconds, so any screen shot will be useless almost immediately. I have a ticket like that on my phone right now. It’s a new kind of ticket that Ticketmaster calls “SafeTix”.
According to TM, if you don’t have a smartphone, you can get a paper ticket at WillCall, by showing ID.
I never saw Barney Miller before (I was born in 1980) and I googled some pictures. I would have said they looked like they could have been from the 1960s, 1970s or 1980s. I didn’t see anything that screamed 1970s, tbh.
Yep, Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta does this with their tickets. For Atlanta United games I need to pull up the app or I can save it to Google Pay. It’s to prevent screenshot sharing. Probably prevents scams but more likely if you have to use their app to transfer tickets rather than share screenshots, it gives them more info.
For the greater part of the 20th century, fashion dictated women’s apparel and in particular hemlines. A great deal used to be made of hemlines each time fashion decreed that they must go up or down. Economic indexes were correlated with hemline height—I’m serious, this was actually a thing. Perhaps one reason hemline heights were so susceptible to fashion fluctuations is the ease with which they could be altered up or down. Goddess knows you wouldn’t replace all your outfits, who could afford that? To a large extent, you kept up with fashion changes by alterations of your existing outfits.
I remember when that whole system came to an end. It was the year 1982.
Fashion decided to get rid of miniskirts in 1970 and decreed the “midi,” which did not go over well. But the miniskirt was effectively canceled, and knee-length was the rule in the mid-'70s. Then in fall 1978 mid-calf came back, and this time it stuck. But 1982 was the year young women decided they wanted to start wearing minis again, even without permission from fashion on high. That was it. They broke the hemline system. Since then it’s been a free for all, and these days you can see any length on anyone at any time. This is part of the background to your OP on fashion in general breaking down.
It’s not concert tickets- but my baseball tickets can’t be printed by me. They will only appear in an app and I have to forward them through the app. Once I forward a ticket, it’s gone. I can recall it if I need to, but then it’s removed from the “wallet” of the person I forwarded it to. Only one can exist at a time; I can’t forward it multiple times. As far as everybody needing a smart phone, yes and no. There’s a procedure for people who don’t have phones compatible with the app , but I can also buy tickets for four people , keep all the tickets in my account and show up with the other three people.
The difference between 1950 and 1998 was enormous; differences between 1998 and 2021 are minimal in comparison. Hell, the difference between 1950 and 1978 was big. Even the difference between 1950 and 1968 (but not between 1950 and, say 1962) was quite remarkable. Let’s go back to the 1950s and talk about the differences. Starting with fashion and people’s appearance. Men were virtually all clean-cut. Long hair on a man was essentially socially unacceptable; any man who had long hair would have been an exception that proved the rule (I can only think of two - Albert Einstein, who was probably tolerated due to being an elderly foreign genius with a “mad scientist” persona, and this one musician, I don’t recall his name, who grew long hair and a beard, adopted a strange name, started something like a cult, and was forgotten). Also, at least in North America, most men were clean-shaven in addition. The few that sported a beard would stand out like a sore thumb in most circles and would probably not have gotten a job in a bank or a business. Men also wore suits a lot. For most white-collar jobs, to church, to the restaurant, often even to baseball or hockey games. Jeans and a T-shirt would have been tolerated on a child or a teenager as streetwear, but were still basically laborers’ clothing; a grown man’s casual dress would have been more like today’s higher-end business casual or semi-formal dress, I.E. slacks, a button-down shirt, and decent shoes, with jacket and tie becoming optional. As for grown women, they practically always wore skirts and dresses; pants may have been worn around the house, but not generally in public except by the most daring; skirts generally did not show the knee (shorts and what we call miniskirts did exist, but they were generally used as sportswear or costume/novelty wear and not proper attire). Women and even teenage girls tended to have heavily styled hair; most set their hair in curlers and/or had it permed; in the 1950s, a lot of the fashionable hairstyles were quite short (generally above the shoulders and at times not than much longer than a man’s hair). Back then, such styles would have been considered glamorous; they would likely not look very feminine or sexy to many people today. The apparent minority of women who did have truly long hair would generally have either styled it in a similar way to the others or would have worn it in a neat bun or French twist (perhaps not the height of fashion, but you could get away with it. What you practically wouldn’t see though would be a woman with long hair worn loose and combed out straight. As there was an unwritten rule that men kept their hair short, there seems to have been an unwritten rule that women did something with their hair. A ponytail would have been a micro-minimum, more commonly seen on girls than on women). And tattoos were not something that decent people had (or at least showed)…now fast forward to 1998. Girls wear their hair in various ways, ranging from long straight hair, to a bob, through “the Rachel” and other feathered or layered hairstyles, and there are probably still some holdouts of 80s “big hair” here and there. Skirts come in different lengths, but are often so short as to leave nothing for the imagination, and may be paired with various hosiery. However, with the arrival of Britney Spears, styles appear to be shifting from showing off the legs to displaying the midriff. Some guys have long hair a la Curt Cobain (though that look was going out of fashion, or had already gone out). Goatees and sideburns are popular. Tattoos are becoming mainstream and many young people are piercing their tongue, eyebrows, etc.
Media in the 1950s was very tame and restricted. Not only was there no internet, but in 1950 a TV was still new technology that not everybody had. Radio and the movies were still a big thing. Films from all the major Hollywood Studios were governed by an inter-studio agreement called the Motion Picture Production Code (AKA the “Hays Code”), which laid down strict rules for what could and could not be shown (forget any overt depictions of sexual acts or homosexuality; clergy may not be portrayed as bad guys; crime can never pay; no swearing; the American flag must always be respected, and so on and so forth). In 1950, Rock ‘N’ Roll music hasn’t come on the scene yet; within a few years, it will “revolutionize” music, yet artists like Bill Haley or Buddy Holly seem amazingly tame and innocent by today’s standards. Then comes Elvis with his swinging hips, and that scandalizes the older generation…Now fast forward to 1998. Think of grunge. Think of Marilyn Manson. 'Nuff said.
Fashions, habits, and media in the 1950s reflected the relatively conservative values of the time. The world of 2021 is not that far removed, values-wise, from that of 1998. The world of 1950s sure is.
As I mentioned above, this is a key point. In the past, people generally followed fashion (and social standards of what was an acceptable appearance) rather rigidly. While there was probably always some room for personalization and self-expression, there was no retro fashion and deviating more than a little from the current fashion would have once been seen as borderline antisocial, unless you were an older person who had grandfathered a look from their younger days. I don’t think “having your own style” was really a thing until relatively recently, I’d say until perhaps the 1960s, when British Mod revolutionized mainstream fashion and the hippies came along with their alternative look. Nowadays, a wide range of fashions and styles is available and pretty much anything goes.
The Internet has transformed the culture and the world massively. Movies, radio, TV pale in comparison. That’s what this thread is missing.