population control

This is a question for those who believe that the goverment should control population: What methods do y’all think the goverment should use? What about violating rights? If the goverment did enforce population control, would y’all be okay with yourselves being steralized?

Lethal injection.

I think this could be done under national security, but we might have to pass a Constitutional amendment.

Of course not. The government would be sterilizing people I designate, such as Carrot Top, Fred Phelps, and Jack Chick. I’m obviously not going to designate myself.

::inhales deeply and prays for patience::

captainQwark,

Is this in response to anything that has been said or implied on this message board or in the news?

Is there any reason to believe anyone here who could possibly answer the question believes that “the goverment should control population”?

This is a mighty dangerous path to tread for all involved.

In practice the simplest method would probably to levvy a tax on children that rises sharply the more you have. IIRC this is what China does. Unfortunately you get odd results. In China boys are perceived as more valuable than girls. As such female babies are too frequently killed. If the parents can only have one child (or whatever it is) they want a boy (more children cost them money in fines by the government). IIRC China is starting to feel the pinch of this practice as they now have a decidedly lopsided division of males to females in their country.

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This thread was dying for a reason. If you’re going to bump it, I hope it’s for a reason.

If you want to push it to the top, you could do so by answering my questions:

I’m sorry. I’ll let it die

Not necessarily, just put some thought into it. Make a case for both sides.

We do have some population control, eg. advocation of birth control, free condoms, etc. Taxing children would be a further step (though hard to justify in some sense - it’s not the child’s fault.)

At some point the government may have to step in and sterilize people. I hope not, but supposing the population just went on going up (as it has a tendancy to do) people would have to start limiting their reproduction at some point before we start starving, or going to war.

I think we should switch from the idea of using contraceptives (condoms, abortion, et cetera) as birth control and instead make cannibalism legal. It would also have a side benefit of feeding at least some of ‘the hungry’.

If population control was necessary, just start heavily taxing those who decided to have children while giving tax-breaks to those who didn’t.

Heck, teach all the women to read and raise the standard of living for everyone. Birth rates will fall dramatically, possibly even below replacement rates, as it has in some of the western democracies.

Why would the US government have to employ population control? Our birth rate here is down, and soon (like it has in some European countries), it’ll eventually go into shrinkage. Population growth follows some pretty recognizable trends, and as Bryan Ekers says, when the standard of living, literacy, education and such things go up, birth rates go down. No need for the government to get involved in that way (although I do think it should promote safe sex and such). In less industrialized countries, or ones with problems like India and China, the government needs to take a more active role than it would in the US, but forced sterilization shouldn’t be part of that role in my opinion.

The U.S. currently has a birth rate below replacemnt levels (I’ll find a cite for that if requested).

Our population level is growing due to people living longer and immigration.

If you want to stop the growth in the total number of people in the US, just cut back on immigration. Simpler than sterilizing folks.

Great article on population at this site (a NY Times article)

"There is no longer a single country in Europe where people are having enough children to replace themselves when they die. Italy recently became the first nation in history where there are more people over the age of 60 than there are under the age of 20. This year Germany, Greece and Spain will probably all cross the same eerie divide. "

"Even in the developing world, where overcrowding remains a major cause of desperation and disease, the pace of growth has slowed almost everywhere. Since 1965, according to United Nations population data, the birth rate in the Third World has been cut in half – from 6 children per woman to 3. In the last decade alone, for example, the figure in Bangladesh has fallen from 6.2 children per woman to 3.4. That’s a bigger drop than in the previous two centuries. "

In just one generation “more than two thirds of all countries are at or below the replacement level.”
But of course this all depends on where you are. In parts of Italy the birth rate is less than one chld per woman. However, the fertility rate of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip has soared to 8.8 children per woman."

Oops. Link http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/gray.htm

I wish there was a figure for the amount of people here, not countries. I think right now, the world’s population is expected to rise through the middle or late/middle part of this century, and then begin to decrease.