Pork Butt Rubdown - let's smoke whatever we can!

Ok - Been grilling out more and more recently - got up the gumption and bought a ‘Char Griller’ with the side fire box.

Did my first smoke thing today - a simple pork loin with mesquite - just to get my feet wet and get a feel for it.

It came out ok - but

a) it wasn’t under done
b) it didn’t suck

Now, I come to you, the dopes of the world, share with me some simple recipe’s for shredded beef or pork - hell, I’ll take any smoker based recipe ya got.

My plan for this weekend is to smoke a pork shoulder - I need a good dry rub and sauce.

If there are fellow char grill owners out there - any hints for controlling the heat? I seem to be able to maintain 300 at the grates - I’ve only used 1 chimney of lump + the mesquite chips (soaked in water, thrown 3-4 handfuls in every 15-20 minutes when the smoke died down to the edges of the coals) - and I had 4 hours of solid heat - I assume at this point getting longer times is as easy as adding more coals - but everything I see says to smoke at 225 -150.

My rub recipe:

3 tablespoons brown sugar
1 1/2 tablespoons paprika
2 tablespoons salt
1 tablespoons ground black pepper
1 tablespoon garlic powder

Yes, 300 is too hot. I will cook my bone-in butts fat side up at 225-235 for up to 12-14 hours. I pull them off once they hit 185-190. Next step is to wrap the butt in foil tightly, wrap that in a towel, and stick it in an empty cooler or the microwave. Walk away for about 8 hours.

When you return, the roast will still be hot but all of the sinew and connective tissues will be completely gone. The meat should pull off of the bone in clumps. Just break those up by hand and you have pulled pork. I then add a few shakes of the rub and a few squirts of my favorite sauce to the meat and it is done. It’s the hit of every party that I throw.

Well, I’m smoking 15 pounds of brisket and 10 pounds of pork shoulder tomorrow, along with some hot links, so I think I’m qualified to help. :slight_smile: (Actually, I will be starting in about four hours or so.)

First, pork loin. Being a lean cut, a brine really helps with this. If you’re going to do loin again, do yourself a favor and brine it in your favorite brine overnight (a basic 1 cup salt + 1 gallon water brine works fine. You can add a cup of sugar [brown if you like] if you want a sweeter brine. People are also fond of apple juice and putting all sorts of spices in their brine. Whatever you like. I’m fine with the bog-standard salt & water brine.) When you smoke it, pull it at 145-155 (you want it to be just a little bit pink. Pork is fine to eat at, IIRC, 137. I pull it at 150.) Wrap in foil and let rest for 15-30 minutes before slicing and serving. With the brine, you’ll get something somewhat like Canadian bacon as a final result. It is very yummy.

However, if you want proper pulled pork, you want to use pork shoulder (as you’ve noted). Bone-in Boston butt is the easier shoulder cut to deal with. (The picnic is the other side of the shoulder, or sometimes you can find a full shoulder, too.) I smoke my shoulder anywhere from 225-275. Usually, my smoker stays rock solid at 250, but if it’s really hot or really cold out, it can fluctuate ±25 degrees. I don’t really stress about the temp. 300 is a tad high, but you can do it at 300. At 250F, it takes from 6-9 hours to finish. Every shoulder is a little different.

If you can, do not use wood chips. Those burn way too fast, and wet wood makes for bitter smoke (from the creosote that is formed). Use wood chunks. They burn longer and cleaner. You DON’T want billowing white smoke. That’s the creosote-laden bitter smoke. You want thin wisps of bluish smoke. I advise against mesquite. Mesquite is better for grilling, but tends to be too bitter for smoking (although a little bit with brisket works okay.) Make a clean fire with your lump charcoal and add a few fist-sized chunks of oak (or apple) and some hickory or pecan for flavor. Some people are fine with straight hickory, I prefer the “sweeter” smoke flavors of oak and apple as the base.

Now, to help keep your temps down, you can put a roasting pan full of water near the outlet of your firebox into the cooking chamber. This will act as a sort of a heat sink and help keep the temperatures inside your cooking chamber more even and a little lower. Also, you can adjust your vents in your firebox to choke the airflow and keep the temp down. Always keep the chimney part of your smoker at least halfway open. You need the airflow to go from the fire box out the chimney. You do not want to choke your meat with the smoke.

Now, on to cooking. I start fat side up, cook for about three hours, flip, cook another three, flip and rotate, etc. until finished. Your pork is finished when it sort of “slumps” in on itself, looking like it can’t support its own weight. The bone should be loose, a fork stuck into it should offer little resistance and should be easy to twist. Temp will generally be in the 195-205 range when its pullable. At this point, wrap it in foil, let it rest for 30-60 minutes, then shred using two forks or with your hands (wearing kitchen gloves).

So, to let you know a little about what’s going on as you cook the meat:

Most of the smoke flavor happens in the first two to four hours of smoking. After that, your meat doesn’t really take on much more smoke. At a range of about 165-180 or so, the connective tissue in the meat begins to break down. Namely, the collagen turns into gelatin. If you are monitoring your temperatures, you will notice that there will come a point where the meat plateaus at a temperature in this range, maybe even drops a degree or two, and stays there for hours. This is when the transformation process occurs. The temperature will not continue going up until a good portion of this connective tissue has turned into gelatin.

So, once your temperature starts going up again, and you’re in the 185-190 range, you can stop here, if you’d like, rest the meat, and chop it. You will have chopped pork. This is actually my preference. However, most people seem to really like pulled pork, so you can do what JXJohns advises, and foil your meat, pack it in a cooler, and wait for several hours as the rest of the connective tissue dissolves. Or you can continue cooking it on the smoker. The advantage of cooking it on the smoker is you get a better bark. The foiling process, in essence, steams the meat so you lose a good bit of the crispness of the bark. On the other hand, a lot of people don’t care, and the foiling technique actually makes life a little easier on you.

As for rubs, I’m a pretty simple guy. I avoid sugar in my rubs, as they tend to burn and get a little bitter. I do it differently every time, but I start with salt and pepper, and I tend to like the “sweeter” spices like allspice, clove, even fennel, in my rub, along with the more common mustard seed, celery seed, garlic powder, onion powder, paprika, etc.

Any questions?

(And, of course, any discussion of barbecue will lead to a multitude of differing opinions. That’s part of the fun.)

I should add, if you really want to learn barbecue from the very basics, starting with fire control and working your way up, this book is the one for you. His teaching technique is strict and didactic, but you will learn a lot about fire control and trusting your senses.

Just read the posts on this link every night for hour, for one week, ready to copy and paste. You will never need to ask anyone, anything about your Chargriller again because you will have achieved the totality of Chargriller knowledge. You will know everything that has ever been tried with your specific pit in exacting detail. Through trial and error these guys will even tell you how many freakin’ briquets to put in per hour depending on temperature, wind speed, humidity, lunar phase, etc. :smiley: http://www.barbecuebible.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=1467

I have a Chargriller like yours. Her name is Carolina and our 3 year anniversary is coming up in September!

Here’s my rub:
1/2 cup salt
1/2 cup turbinado sugar
1/4 cup granulated brown sugar
1 tbsp granulated garlic
1 tbsp granulated onion
2 tbsp paprika
2 tbsp chili powder
2 tbsp freshly ground black pepper
2 tsp cayenne
1 tbsp thyme leaves
1 tbsp ground cumin
1 tsp ground nutmeg

Combine all ingredients, mix well, and store in an airtight container.
Yields 1-1/2 cups

The night before cooking, I’ll take the butt, rub it down with olive oil then pat the rub all over the meat. I’ll then wrap the whole thing in plastic wrap and let it sit in the fridge overnight.

I use a Big Green Egg as my smoker. It can keep a constant temperature of 225 degrees for 12-14 hours. I’ll build the fire with hardwood chacoal, and as pulykamell suggests, use chunks of hickory on the fire. I keep a five-gallon bucket next the the grill filled with water and hickory chunks. These chunks are completely waterlogged and smoke beautifully.

I put the meat in a v-rack, which I then put on the grill. I keep a spray bottle full of apple cider vingar next to the grill and every hour or so, will spray the meat with vinegar. I use no other sauce during the cooking. At 225, it takes between 9 and 12 hours to bring the meat to 165 internal temparature.

As JXJohns suggests, I also wrap the cooked meat in foil and let it sit for several hours before I pull it. The meat will continue to cook a bit while it’s wrapped.

Lots of good advice for you so far in this thread!

Perhaps surprisingly, the water barely penetrates wood chunks. Granted, that test is for an overnight soak, but I’ve tried it with wood soaked with a few days, and same thing. The water penetrates maybe 1/8 inch. And here come the opinions (I said there would be some): Many (including I) will advise against smoking because smoldering wood tends to create a bitter flavor. Really, there is no good reason to soak the wood, and perhaps a few bad ones, but do what works for you. (I say as I return from flipping the brisket and shoulder five hours into its smoke.)

I’ve been reading thru that forum, but it seems most people have issue getting the grill up to temp, not getting it to lower.

I have my baffles (?) almost closed + chimney almost closed and It maintains.

Or am I overthinking it? The included gauge reads 225, if I put my probe at grate level, I get 300 - which one should I be following?

SHould I be using something other than lump for charcoal for smoking?

Should I be starting it with lump, but adding in the other hardwood for fuel instead?

I agree with this book recommendation. I checked out a lot of BBQ books from the library, all of which had tons of great recipes, but I learned how to smoke meat from Gary Wiviott in 5 easy (and tasty) lessons. He gives away his secret rub recipes too.

So pulykamell, I hear people talk about Hot Links, and I’ve had them in BBQ restaurants but where would I find something similar in the Wasington DC area? Is it a pork sausage? Do they go by any other name?

Well, that’s interesting. Here we’re talking about wood that has soaked not for a few days, but for a few months. The chunks don’t float anymore - they’re at the bottom of the bucket. I have to say, I’ve never tasted anything at all bitter about my pulled pork - it has in fact won a couple of competitions. This may be a function of the controlled combustion in a Big Green Egg. Nonetheless, having read your links, I’m going to try using dry chunks in foil next time and see if there’s a difference.

Fish marinade, great for smoking salmon:

1cup white wine
½c. soy sauce
½c. lemon juice

Honey-Balsamic-Dijon sauce, great for pork shoulders or hams:

2/3 cup cider vinegar
½ cup honey
½ cup Dijon mustard
¼ cup balsamic vineger
¼ cup light corn syrup
2 tablespoons lemon juice
2 tablespoons tomato paste
1 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon garlic powder
½ teaspoon ground black pepper

Combine all ingredients in a heavy nonreactive saucepan and bring to a boil over high heat. Reduce the heat to medium-low and gently simmer the sauce, uncovered, until thick and richly flavored (about 30 minutes). Leftover sauce can be refrigerated and will keep for several months.

This recipe will yield about two cups and can be made into a glaze by adding 1/3 cup honey to each cup of finished sauce.

Yeah, experiment for yourself and see what works. I’ve done it with soaked wood chips (not chunks) before to disastrous results – as in, my brother and I were both choking down our rib tips, enjoying the smokiness, only to have it feel like we smoked a pack of cigarettes in the back of our throats. I’m not exaggerating when I say it made us cough it was so smoky. Now, this is an extreme example, but it convinced me not to ever smoke with wet wood again. The above link helps to confirm my findings, but I honestly don’t think it’s solely the soaked wood chunks that gave that guy the bad-tasting pork. It sounds more like an issue with bad ventilation, in combination with smoldering wood. If you have plenty of air flow, I don’t think wet wood is going to be as much as issue. As long as billowing white smoke doesn’t hang out in the cooking chamber, you should be okay.

Then again, perhaps some people don’t mind this flavor. To me, it tastes like Liquid Smoke. Plenty of people seem to have no problem with it. Liquid Smoke, to me (and many others), has a bitter, nasty, creosote flavor to it, rather than the sweet, gentle flavor of a properly managed fire (“properly” in the sense that its managed to minimize this flavor. If you like it, hey, go for it.) But I’ve seen people take meat made with a perfectly managed fire, then douse it with commercial barbecue sauce (which almost invariably contains Liquid Smoke) or, worse, make a homemade barbecue sauce with Liquid Smoke in it.

Don’t close your chimney. Give it some airflow. This isn’t going to help with your temp, but it’ll help with the flavor of your meat.

You are overthinking it. As I said upthread, stick a water pan near where the firebox meets the cooking chamber. That’ll help a little. Use fewer coals. (This is your main problem.) Put your meat at the far end, near underneath the chimney. If you need to use a thermometer, get an oven thermometer like this and place it next to the meat, on the side nearer the firebox. Don’t stress about the temperatures. As long as you’re in the 200-300F range, it will turn out. And the built-in thermometer is next to useless. When I was learning, I used no thermometers whatsoever. Nowadays, half the time I do, half I don’t. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with using thermometers, but I think it’s good to learn without one and to learn the skill of reading a fire and the meat. See the book I linked to above for details.

I use a vertical smoker most of the time, (that is, when I’m not jerry-rigging Frankensmokers like this one), but I usually use lump hardwood charcoal with about eight fist-sized chunks of wood thrown in. Now, you can get away with more wood on an offset smoker (I know people who do pure wood burns, which is a bit much for me), but I think that’s a good start. The way I build my fire is using the Minion method. I lay down a layer of unlit coals, put on four chunks of wood, lay down another lay of unlit coals, and then dump a chimney starter full of coals over the top. Here’s a walkthrough of the Minion method for a Char-Broil offset smoker. See if that helps. You may not need a whole chimney starter full of lit coals. You’ll have to experiment for yourself (if you do decide the Minion method is for you. I love it.)

Hot links vary by region. The ones I’m making are Chicago-style hot links, whose pedigree extends down to the Mississippi delta. These are basically spicy pork sausages usually with a little sage in them. They are not unlike a spicy breakfast sausage. In fact, some of the hot links taste pretty damn close to a spicy Jimmy Dean breakfast sausage.

Texas hot links, as far as I’ve had them, tend to be more like a spicy kielbasa, usually made with pork (although occasionally a mix of pork and beef). They have much more paprika than their Chicago counterparts, and not as much (if any) sage. I also remember them being a bit more garlicky. edit: Oh, I don’t know of them being sold by any other name. They’re one of those regional foods. Here’s a picture of a typical Texas hot link. Here’s a Chicago hot link (along with rib tips–that combo is quintessential South Side and West Side Chicago barbecue.)

Why is my mouth suddenly watering? I guess I’m going to have to try smoking a few different kinds of sausage until I find one that works best. It’s a tough job.

If you have any Polish delis in your area, you can find some fresh Polish sausage called “white sausage” or biala kielbasa. Those smoke up pretty well. They won’t be hot links, but they’re still good. Hell, even already-smoked sausages taste good double smoked.

Or, hell, smoke some spicy Italian sausage. It ain’t a hot link, but it’s mighty good eats, too.

**Dry Rub: **
3 tablespoons paprika
1 tablespoon garlic powder
1 tablespoon brown sugar
1 tablespoon dry mustard
3 tablespoons coarse salt

Mix this together in a small bowl. Rub the spice blend all over the pork and marinate for as long as you have time for, as little as 1 hour or up to overnight, covered, in the refrigerator. I personally like to leave it on overnight.

**Cider Vinegar Barbecue Sauce: **
3/4 cup cider vinegar
1/2 cup yellow or brown mustard
1/4 cup ketchup
3 TB brown sugar
2 garlic cloves, smashed
1 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon cayenne
1/2 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper

Mix this in a saucepan over medium heat. Simmer gently, stirring, for 10 minutes until the sugar dissolves (also freel free to play with the amount of sugar - I like my sauce to be less sweet and more tangy/spicy). If you want the sauce to be thicker/stronger, just simmer until you get the consistency you desire.

Thanks for all of this - and the other ideas - I did two more loins tonite that came out much better, and have plans for the weekend - this is more addicting than I thought.