I personally don’t see it as either self-evident, or even believable. I don’t know who Dr Drew is, but he doesn’t sound like he is very intelligent. He is making an absurd generalization. He can’t possibly know that every actress in porn was sexually abused.
Perhaps you might explain why you would believe him? Does he have some research that would back up his claim?
I believe that you have developed a pattern of passing off hyperbole as fact. If you think I’ve worked up a head of righteous indignation over it, you’d be… well stating hyperbole as fact. It’s true, though, that I consider you an obnoxious little twat. I’m guilty on that count.
It is not self evident that every single porn starlet has been raped by a relative while still a child. It’s that simple. If you want it taken as fact, prove it.
Observing that Dio argues passionately, but irrationally, is not a secret and doesn’t mean I’m out to get him.
…oh, and bite me!
No, no, no. Not every actress. Of course not! Just virtually, practically every actress. Maybe even theoretically every actress too.
Maybe one day we’ll make it literally every actress, but not any time soon… That’ll require a cite!
Dr. Drew is an accredited doc, with 20-odd years of working with addicts and abuse survivors. He’s got a fairly huge draw as a cohost of the pop sex-talk radio, Loveline, but he’s got a day job practicing addiction medicine, as well. His full name is Drew Pinksy, I invite you to wiki or google him to see his full credentials. Drew regularly discusses that women involved in the sex business usually are sexually molested in their childhood.
As is, if you request a source from someone, and they respond with one, your first reaction shouldn’t be to discount the source because you don’t like the conclusion. If you want more information about a source, it’s incumbent on you to check out a cite, not for you to demand a cite of the cite.
I’m going to a party next week hosted by Gina Lynn. There are supposed to be numerous porn “stars” there. Maybe I’ll get the chance to ask them.
Actually. my tendency is to make the mistake of assuming that everyone will understand my hyperbole as hyperbole. I tend to assume that people around here are bright enough to pick up on stuff like that. Obviously, I give some people too much credit.
That’s ok. That often hapens with my moral and intellectual inferiors. You’re not alone. I make you feel inadequate and stupid. I understand. You are right to feel that way.
Plase be advised that I’m not indicting either the industry or the women but if you see a girl taking 17 loads of jizz in the face for a buakkake porn, don’t kid yourself that she’s had a perfectly happey, well-adjusted life and that she just decided all on her own that loves getting bathed in semen. If you really think it’s “extraordinary” for me to comment that something fucked up must have happened to that girl then you are fucking delusional.
It’s not the kind of thing they’re likely to want to tell a stranger about at a party, is it?
I don’t know. But I can tailor the question so there’s a better chance of a response. I went to a similar party a few months ago, and they all seem to be very open to any kind of conversation. The problem is that most of them that attended weren’t “stars”, as opposed to actresses. So they have the natural tendency to be more social, in order to get noticed. I don’t know how responsive the actual stars would be.
You just proved that you are an obnoxious little twat, in the most direct way possible. I must say I wasn’t expecting that.
First off, saying that you’ve heard Dr. Drew say it is not citing Dr. Drew. It is saying that you have some information from Dr. Drew, which you have paraphrased and filtered for me, and that you are the cite.
Secondly, you are now waffling. You went from incest, here I’ll quote you, “Virtually all of those girls you’re spanking it to in those videos are incest survivors,” to a list that includes “some kind of childhood trauma or abuse – usually sexual, but sometimes other traumas such as physical abuse, abandonment or the death of a parent.”
OK, so there are two ways to wiggle out of an ill-conceived, categorical statement. You can claim you were exaggerating for effect; an idea you may have flirted with, but you haven’t unzipped and consummated the deal. Or you can start to wedge in qualifiers and hope no one notices. Sorry, but I’ve noticed. And once again, you tell me what you think you heard Dr. Drew say. Thanks for that. For all I know, Dr. Drew said something entirely reasonable, and he’d call you an asshole for misquoting him.
Finally you engage in the hyperbolic again. A woman in a bukkake film must have mental problems. shrug I dunno. I think I heard that many of them are not actresses, but Japanese escorts. But I’m not going to argue based on my hearsay. I’ll just point out that not all films are bukkake films, which should be self evident. You are arguing based on the extreme example.
If porn stars are predominantly incest survivors, that might be important information WRT training the next generation. We must think of the future, after all. Perhaps some kind of tax-rebate incentive should be looked into. (It would certainly make chartered accountancy a more interesting field!)
Porn aside, isn’t Hillary (along with Bill) known to be friendlier to film production, through their association with Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, among others, than any likely Republican candidate?
So what kind of challenge can we get out of this from Dio?
They don’t call him the Ron Jeremy of Roseville for nothing, you know.
At least when I listened to Loveline (late '90s, early '00s), Drew demonized weed to extreme degrees. I once heard him say (I swear I’m not making this up) that pot makes men grow breasts.
He also had a way of turning people’s statements around to make everyone seem like an addict. For instance, one time on the MTV show, a guy made the simple comment that psilocybe mushrooms enhanced sex. Drew turned the question on its head and asked the guy “Why do you need mushrooms to have sex?” It’s kind of like if someone says the taste of salt enhances fries and you ask them why they are unable to eat fries without salt. It’s disingenuous.
That said, you’re right that he’s remarkably good at being able to tell who was abused and who wasn’t, often from a specific tone of voice or choice of words. Once he called it, he was very rarely wrong about it, and I tended to trust him on the subject. I’ve also heard him say that somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of strippers were abused. Take that for what you will, but if you listen to the show for long enough, you pretty much start to take his conclusions regarding abuse for granted and not question them based on how knowledgeable he is on the subject.
Didn’t we once have a thread about how Dr. Drew claimed women who talk in high-pitched little-girl voices were molested?
Ah, yes, here it is.
Oh, fuck no.
Ten Viagras couldn’t couteract the effects of seeing Hillary the Willie Wilter nekkid.
Jenna ain’t so hot nowadays either.
There actually is some suggestive evidence to that effect (that there is a chance anyway, not that it will happen to everyone), but I’ve also heard Drew say that he pulls out that card mostly because he finds it effective in trying to get addicts to lay off the weed.
I think he does exaggerate and overstate things sometimes if he’s trying to get through to people (like how he always says that Vicodin and Oxycotin are “exactly the same as heroin”). I think he’s so used to arguing with addicts that he tries to close off all loopholes and be overly categorical.
By the way. I’ve seen a couple of episodes of that Celebrity Rehab show he’s doing and it’s nowhere near as low rent and tawdry as I thought it would be.