Portrayal of Oxford student life in fiction, films

One can’t help but be struck by the opulence of student life at Oxford, as it’s portrayed in period films and novels. It seems that students lived in gorgeous rooms surounding quads, and had “scouts”, or servants, to see to their needs. Was that ever really typical of student life there? Is there still a tiny subset of rich students who live in the manner portrayed by Brideshead Revisited, while the vast majority live in humbler, shared lodgings in the town?

And do the different colleges vary in this respect?

Oxford graduate and current D.Phil. student checking in…

Yes. Some of the gorgeous rooms remain, particularly in the older and richer colleges. Unfortunately, many have been either snapped up by tutors or sub-divided in order to accommodate the expanding undergraduate numbers seen in the last 30 years or so. Scouts also still exist, though nowadays they’re essentially just cleaning staff: they empty the bins, clean the (shared) bathroom and communal areas and clean students’ rooms about once a week.
Earlier, they did more - even when my father was at Oxford (1970s) the scouts were still happy to polish shoes for students. In an earlier age, they would have been true servants.

Yes and no. There is a tiny subset of rich students who try to relive the Brideshead days, often (pre-Ban) joining the Christchurch Beagles to hunt, consuming vast quantities of sherry, dressing formally for dinner, even adopting Jacobism. I have few kind words for this sort of person, save that they’re occasionally entertaining. Some colleges are reputed to have particularly high concentrations of these, but I’m not convinced there is more truth to this than to many Oxford urban legends.

Regardless, these people have no particular advantage in lodgings, except that provided by money. In most colleges, rooms are handed out by an eminently egalitarian ballot system; the nice rooms are occupied primarily by the finalists, those in their last year of study. Some colleges (Hilda’s, for example) go so far as to charge a single rent for all rooms regardless of quality, in order to ensure that no one misses out on a nice room because of financial constraints. My own college, St. John’s, does not go this far, but the difference in rent between the nicest room in college and the worst is on the order of two hundred pounds a term; between the nicest and an average room more like one hundred a term. Unless one is in severe financial straits (when colleges will often provide grants to help) these sums can be saved simply by skipping a drink a day, or cutting down on pizzas.

As a final thought, it occurs to me: rich students do have a slight advantage, in that they predominantly come from schools and social circles familiar with Oxford, and so tend to avoid the colleges that do not have grand rooms, plentiful libraries, etc. This advantage is not strictly one of wealth, however, as it can be shared by poor students if they’re lucky enough to find a school familiar with Oxbridge. These are, unfortunately, much rarer in the state sector than in the private sector.

There is an interesting case precedent that I read waaay back when in law school about (I think) misrepresentation which gives you an amusing perspective on how what it means to be a student has changed.

The case concerned a non-student in Cambridge or Oxford (can’t remember which) who fraudulently dressed up as a student to induce shops to believe he was rich and eminently credit-worthy.

Not something that would work these days…

Just finished reading Jill, one of only two novels Philip Larkin wrote.

It is (depending on who you believe; Larkin was rather miffed apparently at having it described as a pure roman a clef) a thinly or moderately veiled version of (parts of) Larkin’s experience as an Oxford undergraduate during the early days of WWII.

Larkin (like his protagonist) was a scholarship pupil from a middle class/lower middle class family (Larkin came from Coventry).

The protagonist finds himself a bit strapped for cash at various times throughout the book (someone borrowed part of a pound which had been supposed to last him for a fortnight’s spending money – apparently there has been some inflation).

But I was struck by other aspects of the protagonist’s circumstances. Upon arrival, he’s simply shown to his shared rooms in some grandiose old manse. Although the rooms are described as I guess what we’d now call shabby genteel. You sort of get the feeling of an old but not-especially-luxurious hunting lodge, or Gormenghast, or something. And, they had scouts, who didn’t just clean, but endured the abuse of the drunken louts among the students, and “cleaned up their slops” (again, it’s hard to think of any lodgings that rely on a chamberpot as luxurious, though I guess in 1940 this was far from unheard of in England). On the other hand, all their meals in the Hall and their refreshments in the Senior Common Room, etc. seem to have been paid for (they may have paid extra for beer from the buttery to take to their rooms – this was certainly no dry university). Apparently in those days a scholarship was a SCHOLARSHIP, as I’ve never heard of any academic scholarship (other than maybe for minorities, or an athletic scholarship) that provides for room and board these days. Of course, tuition was also a much lower proportion of the total cost then, I’d imagine, before universities discovered they could charge $35k and soak the government to provide or subsidize that.

And yes, Larkin portrays the different students living in different circumstances depending on their college/house – not surprising when you consider the somewhat randomly cobbled together nature of lots of older buildings. Some kids were in garrets under sloping roofs. Others had rooms to themselves. I don’t know that his account involved lots of guys boarding in town (in fact, there seems to have been a rule requiring them to be on campus, or at least the ones who lived there, and to avoid being “out of bounds,” which I guess to the proctors really meant in the townie bars).

So the life Larkin portrays is an odd contrast – he leaves his subsidized room, where the scout is cleaning up after him, goes to his free meal, passes the porter’s lodge and asks the porter to run an errand for him – then goes into town and discovers he doesn’t have enough money to pay for his tea. You seem to see a fair amount of genteel poverty in old books – wonder why that’s not so easy to pull off these days?

cambridge tutor here:

most of the student rooms here are would be of similar standard or worse than the equivalent US student accomodation, usually small single room/bed desk, with shared kitchen and toilet facilities. Many of the colleges have very nice dining halls etc, and the tutors have access to nice reading rooms etc. There are no servants, but there cleaning ladies etc. The exteriors of the colleges are often much better than the interiors, which can be quite modern, though pokey. Most students dress normally, but perhaps once a week or month will dress up in DJ/gown for formal dining. Most of the Brideshead trappings got lost after the 40s with increased student numbers and entrance on ability, not how rich your dad was.

Here’s a documentery about Oxford… uh… starring Rob Lowe

I applied to Oxford (Oriel) a few years ago. The room I was put in while I stayed for interviews was a dump. It was very big, but the furniture was very old, the room was bare, and the lightswitch was on the other side of the room to the bed, so you had to walk all the way across the room in pitch black to go to sleep :smack:. It was like living in the 30’s.

Oriel was a small college, and I don’t think it’s one of the richest, either, and the best rooms are already occupied.

These days Harvard is far richer than Oxford or Cambridge, with a $22 billion endowment. And aside from the scouts, I suspect that many American college dorms are more luxurious than the image of the traditional Oxbridge experience. A lot of students now attending college in the US expect more comfortable accomodations than previously, so newer dorms are more comfortably (and expensively built), with, for example, the elimination of communal bathrooms. And students of all economic classes bring a lot more stuff than they used to; computers, stereo, TVs, fridges, etc.

In Looking for Class, American author Bruce Feiler wrote about his experience at Cambridge – unheated room, no kitchen, no bathroom – he had to cross the quad in order to find a shower.

I just finished Gaudy Night, IMHO the best of Dorothy Sayers’ mysteries (it’s amazingly good, check it out), which is set in a fictional women’s college at Oxford between the wars. It seems pretty realistic in the college details; agrees with what I’ve read elsewhere, anyway. A lot of it deals with how things have changed since Harriet was a student there - the girls sunbathe in their underwear and go boating in bathing suits, because they expect to fall in, hmph. :slight_smile: The student experience seemed very much like mine at a fine old women’s college here a few years ago except for the scouts, who seemed to mostly be recovering a lot of crockery from the students’ rooms. Not servants at all, more like school cleaning ladies who also did dishes and whose baliwick did extend to within the students’ rooms to a point. I don’t know if they were also doing laundry.

I did my degree at one of the poorest Oxford colleges. I remember my Dad just shaking his head when he dropped me off in my shite-hole of a room for the first time. He was muttering that only Oxford could get away with putting kids up in such a bin. It was funny going to dinner wearing formal dress, plus a gown, and being served food that you’d send back if you got it in a transport cafe.

So it was bad luck applying to such a broke-ass college. QuizCustodet is right when he/she says that it is by no means obvious what each of the different colleges offers in terms of social/living conditions when you’re applying. On the flip side, it was blind good luck to go the college that had the best organic chemistry tutor in the university. That turned out to be a major positive influence on my life, so having a shitty room and horrendous food was pretty meaningless in retrospect. :slight_smile: